Who wrote the Bible?
A bunch of assholes?
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Who wrote the Bible?
A bunch of assholes?
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Well, there is a lot of things in this World that can't be explained. Like why do birds fly south for the winter? Why do these birds know to sit on their eggs? Why did man 'create' the very first religions? You see, we (Muslims) believe that God exists in all of us. (Even atheists) And that books like the Bible, Torah and others all contain some belief to God presences. In other words; Man has followed religion since the beginning of time, Romans, Egyptians, Chinese, all believe in a greater power. Where Christianity is concern, the Bible has been altered so many ways and so many times that it has lost some of it's divinity. See, this is the cause to all the "Atheists" that have been brought up in recent years. Though it shames me to say it, even Islam has been altered to some extend in certain places. Like the misrepresentation of Jihad. And if someone was to sit down, lose every bit of knowledge of Religion that society has thought them (I believe the alternation of Bible is the key to why so many disbelieve in God) And I'd bet that child would grow up believing in God.
No one seems to care about the "likeliness" of things that are contained in these books and are only concerned with the contradiction that exist, and why wouldn't some exist? It was created in a time where the live style and definition was COMPLETELY different. Not to mention things that could be lost in translation. So to make my point, read a 'clean' Bible, Quran, Torah or anything else, and find "your" definition of it. As I've said before that's why the worlds in it's current Religious state, people feel like Religion is just like their native governments trying to control their life. So instead of living by what you're parents or whoever told you, or what society has fed you, just pick up a book and decide what it means for yourself. As I see a lot of Atheist don't seem to have any sort of knowledge beside the very basics of Christianity. (Christ is God, father, son, holy ghost, he died for our sins ect. )
That said I'm not a Christian.
Lastly, someone just answer me this, if God doesn't exist and we humans are the closest things to it there are, they how come since the beginning of time there have been many ancients praying and yielding to something that doesn't exist ?
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| ToraTiger said: Well, there is a lot of things in this World that can't be explained. Like why do birds fly south for the winter? Why do these birds know to sit on their eggs? Why did man 'create' the very first religions? You see, we (Muslims) believe that God exists in all of us. (Even atheists) And that books like the Bible, Torah and others all contain some belief to God presences. In other words; Man has followed religion since the beginning of time, Romans, Egyptians, Chinese, all believe in a greater power. Where Christianity is concern, the Bible has been altered so many ways and so many times that it has lost some of it's divinity. See, this is the cause to all the "Atheists" that have been brought up in recent years. Though it shames me to say it, even Islam has been altered to some extend in certain places. Like the misrepresentation of Jihad. And if someone was to sit down, lose every bit of knowledge of Religion that society has thought them (I believe the alternation of Bible is the key to why so many disbelieve in God) And I'd bet that child would grow up believing in God. No one seems to care about the "likeliness" of things that are contained in these books and are only concerned with the contradiction that exist, and why wouldn't some exist? It was created in a time where the live style and definition was COMPLETELY different. Not to mention things that could be lost in translation. So to make my point, read a 'clean' Bible, Quran, Torah or anything else, and find "your" definition of it. As I've said before that's why the worlds in it's current Religious state, people feel like Religion is just like their native governments trying to control their life. So instead of living by what you're parents or whoever told you, or what society has fed you, just pick up a book and decide what it means for yourself. As I see a lot of Atheist don't seem to have any sort of knowledge beside the very basics of Christianity. (Christ is God, father, son, holy ghost, he died for our sins ect. ) That said I'm not a Christian. Lastly, someone just answer me this, if God doesn't exist and we humans are the closest things to it there are, they how come since the beginning of time there have been many ancients praying and yielding to something that doesn't exist ? |
The "likeness" is explainable by the fact that they're all just following the typical evolutionary pattern of the thinking patterns of human beings. That's why you see so many similarities between so many cultures. It's because evolution tends to follow similar paths.
As for why humans seem to have a spiritual need for religion, a man named Matthew Alper ( http://www.godpart.com/ ) explains that pretty well in his book "The God Part of the Brain". At some point in its evolution mankind hit upon a existential crises when it realized that it would have to die at some point, so to compensate for that terrifying thought over time humans came up with and hotwired their brains to believe in the fantasy of the afterlife.
For my part, I do think that this awareness of death and compensation for it may have even come about prior to human awareness and that's why you see things in the animal kingdom like cats entering a purring stage prior to death
SlayerRondo said:
What evidence do you provide that Mohamed was indeed the sole writer of this book or truly illiterate like you claim he is? The facts are that after muhammad died (just like with Jesus) the Quran was compiled by other people far more literate than himself after amassing a large amount of followers largely through the use of violence. Also if he was not literate then even understanding what god said how would he have written it down without help? And just becuase you think something is unlikely does not mean it is impossible. It's also madeningly unlikely that god abeing on unmatched intellect would send one prophet to one part of the world knowing that other nations would disregard it resulting it large numbers of deaths and confusion over the interpretation of the Quran for over a millenium. If that's true your god is one sick fucking asshole who like's to watch people suffer for no reason. And this happened over 1300 year's ago so the accuracy of the preserved quotes is unreliable and just becuase you;re consistent does not mean your not consistently lying. |
Look, about the part of it being accurate. I would trust the quotes far more than....Pretty much everything. The unforgiving extremes to which Muslim scholars take to represent the accuracy is astounding. I have never seen anything like it. Think of a Science paper with al of its refrences. Then what are those references references. And then who can vouch for the references, who passed it to whome? If ONE and I mean one of the 26 (I believe) person chain that brought these quotes is questionable, it is discarded.
The Quran was spread By the prophet Mohamed however he never wrote (although by a miracle he ended up being able to read, the part of you believing or not believing that is of no importance) the Quran. He taught it to his followers who memorized it. Then Abu Bakr Al Sediq gathered 30 of Mohamed's closest friends after his death and wrote down the Quran for the first time but not compiled of one book. The oldest known Quran that is still around today, I repeat, the first one still exists TODAY, was written by Othamn Ibn Afan and others of Mohamed's closest friends and followers.
As you said, just because I think it is unlikely doesn't mean it is impossible, but no one even considers or wonders about how a man like that could come up with one of the greatest pieces of literature ever created. Once again, people doubt if Shakespear wrote his plays for various reasons. I'm not saying I agree with them, but when you have a man as learned and educated as he, and still people doubt his credentials, why is it that an uneducated man was able to talk in such detail about the wonders of life, scientific facts unknown to the time, secrets of the world that we are still finding out about and YET....no one asks, How?
I'm not saying that by it being unlikely it immeidiatly becomes the truth, but it is a question worth asking that for some strange reason, never gets asked. Probably because the answer is one that they don't want to know.
As to why it came down to Arabs in one part of the world, that is another story for another time. Also, your ideas on Muslim conquest and conquering are a bit off but I'm too tired to sit and correct everything you said now.
The thing about the Bible is its references, its citation, its proof, its sources is nothing but its own self.
A group of bishops in the council at Carthage in 397 A.D assembled the Bible. The actual books and chapters are credited to various prophets, apostles and disciples. But, the book as a whole was created by an assembly. They wanted to collect the most important Christian writings and histories into a single book that would be enough for any person to have all that they needed to study and understand God's message. They put together the Bible. They did not write it but they made it. Like an editor putting together a book of short stories or essays. There is no one person that wrote the Bible. Although some people say God wrote it this is untrue. The Bible is supposed to contain God's message but most of it is in the words of the people who did the writing. If you accept the notion that Jesus was God in the flesh, then you could say that the words of Jesus were part of what God "wrote." The same would apply to the instances where someone heard the Lord speak to them.
Generally speaking, Christians acknowledge that the exact phrasing was executed by human authors and transcribers, but that all the writing was inspired by God.
(taken from wiki answers)


| BasilZero said: What are Ethiests? |
Its actually AthEists.
spaceguy said:
Are you kidding? |
I did wonder that about his post as well. I figured he was making a geninue point but the post comes across as sarcastic.
| luisvideogames said: A group of bishops in the council at Carthage in 397 A.D assembled the Bible. The actual books and chapters are credited to various prophets, apostles and disciples. But, the book as a whole was created by an assembly. They wanted to collect the most important Christian writings and histories into a single book that would be enough for any person to have all that they needed to study and understand God's message. They put together the Bible. They did not write it but they made it. Like an editor putting together a book of short stories or essays. There is no one person that wrote the Bible. Although some people say God wrote it this is untrue. The Bible is supposed to contain God's message but most of it is in the words of the people who did the writing. If you accept the notion that Jesus was God in the flesh, then you could say that the words of Jesus were part of what God "wrote." The same would apply to the instances where someone heard the Lord speak to them. Generally speaking, Christians acknowledge that the exact phrasing was executed by human authors and transcribers, but that all the writing was inspired by God. (taken from wiki answers) |
The Catholics only collected the books that would be most advantageous in helping them with their overall goal of transforming the Roman Empire into the Holy Roman Church as Constantine hit upon the idea ( like many before him) that it would be easier to control a widely spread out population through thought control rather than physical force after he had to fight many tiring battles against the barbarians.
Christian books that didn't lend themselves too easily to the transformation of the Roman Empire into the Roman Catholic Church were excised egs. The Gnostic Gospels.