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Fireforgey on 10 February 2013
cunger said:
oldschoolfool said:
a bunch of different people wrote the bible. Who wrote all the other fake religious books. lol


That's not actually true. The Quran was basically just written by Muhammad.  Nobody in their right mind would suggest that God wrote the bible that's actually quite laughable. It is well known who wrote the books of the bible in fact many of the books are named after the person who wrote them in other cases information about who wrote them has been passed down over time.

Did you realise that it's possible for all religions to be made up and also for God to exist?  It is my personaly belief that yes a greater power exists and that the world makes less sense without a greater power than with. Religions have mostly been about humans reaching out to God rather than God reaching out to humans. It's possible for all religion to have a degree of validity.


Yes yes, it was just basically written by Mohamed.  So, a book with Scientific facts no one in that century had a right to know.  Written in a style no one in that age nor in any any other couldn't match.  A book that talks about the origins of the Jewish and Christian religions bringing them back to the way they were before they were changed, fixing the mistakes and contradictions in them at the same time.  A book that shows and understanding of the world far greater than anything else out there at the time. 

 

ALL of that was written by an illiterate merchant who had no formal education or training of any kind.  So, Mohamed knew Hebrew to read the Torah, read the bible, AND THEN translated them both, altered them, changed the style (I emphasise the style because it is truly the greatest-For the sake of argument one of the greatest instead of the greatest-written works of all time) to a style that is COMPLETELY different from his own (an insane amount of his quotes are preserved perfectly till now) all of that in his free time.

 

I'm not going to sit and convince you why I beleive the Muslim religion is true, however, when there are experts that doubt that Shakespear wrote his plays (look it up, it's weird) Why do people just disregard the Quran saying, oh yeah he wrote it, when the impossibility of it is astounding?

 

 

For the sake of the OP......Ouch, I I don't even know what to say to a person like that....The part that confused me the most was when she asked us to think about it.  I think thinking kind of defeats her purpose.



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ToraTiger on 10 February 2013
Fireforgey said:
cunger said:
oldschoolfool said:
a bunch of different people wrote the bible. Who wrote all the other fake religious books. lol


That's not actually true. The Quran was basically just written by Muhammad.  Nobody in their right mind would suggest that God wrote the bible that's actually quite laughable. It is well known who wrote the books of the bible in fact many of the books are named after the person who wrote them in other cases information about who wrote them has been passed down over time.

Did you realise that it's possible for all religions to be made up and also for God to exist?  It is my personaly belief that yes a greater power exists and that the world makes less sense without a greater power than with. Religions have mostly been about humans reaching out to God rather than God reaching out to humans. It's possible for all religion to have a degree of validity.


Yes yes, it was just basically written by Mohamed.  So, a book with Scientific facts no one in that century had a right to know.  Written in a style no one in that age nor in any any other couldn't match.  A book that talks about the origins of the Jewish and Christian religions bringing them back to the way they were before they were changed, fixing the mistakes and contradictions in them at the same time.  A book that shows and understanding of the world far greater than anything else out there at the time. 

 

ALL of that was written by an illiterate merchant who had no formal education or training of any kind.  So, Mohamed knew Hebrew to read the Torah, read the bible, AND THEN translated them both, altered them, changed the style (I emphasise the style because it is truly the greatest-For the sake of argument one of the greatest instead of the greatest-written works of all time) to a style that is COMPLETELY different from his own (an insane amount of his quotes are preserved perfectly till now) all of that in his free time.

 

I'm not going to sit and convince you why I beleive the Muslim religion is true, however, when there are experts that doubt that Shakespear wrote his plays (look it up, it's weird) Why do people just disregard the Quran saying, oh yeah he wrote it, when the impossibility of it is astounding?

 

 

For the sake of the OP......Ouch, I I don't even know what to say to a person like that....The part that confused me the most was when she asked us to think about it.  I think thinking kind of defeats her purpose.


^This.  Me and my father have studied all major religions and though we believe that truth lies in both the Bible and Torah (Sorta) The Quran is viewed as the definitve version of the holy book. 

Not to mention all the reference to ancient languages that couldn't have possibly been known.  (The discovery of the Rosetta stone was centuries afterwards)

And as a Muslim, I believe that God exists in all of us, even in the ancient Greeks and roman with their satirical beliefs .



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spaceguy on 10 February 2013
DaRev said:
I honestly don't understand how intelligent people don't believe 'God wrote the Bible'. Like there's some dude or group of dudes out somewhere just thinking up crazy stuff trying to control people, but not ever revealing their identity or group or ever taking the credit, but letting other people like the Church get all the credit o_O

If I wrote the Bible you sure as hell bet I would want the credit and all the royalties! It just doesn't make any sense, to believe that some man or group wrote the bible.



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Dark_Lord_2008 on 10 February 2013

The Bible and its fairy tales make good bed time reading for children. I find it hard to believe that anyone can literally take the Bible seriously and actually believe the stories are accurate accounts of history.



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JoeTheBro on 10 February 2013

Yeah I've learned arguing religion online is pointless; pretty much like every other online argument. I do find it ironic though that the video in the op is just as moronic as the video it's mocking.



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curl-6 on 10 February 2013
DaRev said:
I honestly don't understand how intelligent people don't believe 'God wrote the Bible'. Like there's some dude or group of dudes out somewhere just thinking up crazy stuff trying to control people, but not ever revealing their identity or group or ever taking the credit, but letting other people like the Church get all the credit o_O

If I wrote the Bible you sure as hell bet I would want the credit and all the royalties! It just doesn't make any sense, to believe that some man or group wrote the bible.

A lot of the people who wrote, re-wrote, and edited the Bible are known. And they didn't want credit or royalties, they wanted to create a mythology that ties in with some (exaggerated/reimagined) real life events in order to convince people to follow a lifestyle they approve of.



SlayerRondo on 10 February 2013
Fireforgey said:
cunger said:
oldschoolfool said:
a bunch of different people wrote the bible. Who wrote all the other fake religious books. lol


That's not actually true. The Quran was basically just written by Muhammad.  Nobody in their right mind would suggest that God wrote the bible that's actually quite laughable. It is well known who wrote the books of the bible in fact many of the books are named after the person who wrote them in other cases information about who wrote them has been passed down over time.

Did you realise that it's possible for all religions to be made up and also for God to exist?  It is my personaly belief that yes a greater power exists and that the world makes less sense without a greater power than with. Religions have mostly been about humans reaching out to God rather than God reaching out to humans. It's possible for all religion to have a degree of validity.


Yes yes, it was just basically written by Mohamed.  So, a book with Scientific facts no one in that century had a right to know.  Written in a style no one in that age nor in any any other couldn't match.  A book that talks about the origins of the Jewish and Christian religions bringing them back to the way they were before they were changed, fixing the mistakes and contradictions in them at the same time.  A book that shows and understanding of the world far greater than anything else out there at the time. 

 

ALL of that was written by an illiterate merchant who had no formal education or training of any kind.  So, Mohamed knew Hebrew to read the Torah, read the bible, AND THEN translated them both, altered them, changed the style (I emphasise the style because it is truly the greatest-For the sake of argument one of the greatest instead of the greatest-written works of all time) to a style that is COMPLETELY different from his own (an insane amount of his quotes are preserved perfectly till now) all of that in his free time.

 

I'm not going to sit and convince you why I beleive the Muslim religion is true, however, when there are experts that doubt that Shakespear wrote his plays (look it up, it's weird) Why do people just disregard the Quran saying, oh yeah he wrote it, when the impossibility of it is astounding?

 

 

For the sake of the OP......Ouch, I I don't even know what to say to a person like that....The part that confused me the most was when she asked us to think about it.  I think thinking kind of defeats her purpose.

What evidence do you provide that Mohamed was indeed the sole writer of this book or truly illiterate like you claim he is?

The facts are that after muhammad died (just like with Jesus) the Quran was compiled by other people far more literate than himself after amassing a large amount of followers largely through the use of violence.

Also if he was not literate then even understanding what god said how would he have written it down without help?

And just becuase you think something is unlikely does not mean it is impossible. It's also madeningly unlikely that god abeing on unmatched intellect would send one prophet to one part of the world knowing that other nations would disregard it resulting it large numbers of deaths and confusion over the interpretation of the Quran for over a millenium. If that's true your god is one sick fucking asshole who like's to watch people suffer for no reason.

And this happened over 1300 year's ago so the accuracy of the preserved quotes is unreliable and just becuase you;re consistent does not mean your not consistently lying.



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SlayerRondo on 10 February 2013
Fireforgey said:
cunger said:
oldschoolfool said:
a bunch of different people wrote the bible. Who wrote all the other fake religious books. lol


That's not actually true. The Quran was basically just written by Muhammad.  Nobody in their right mind would suggest that God wrote the bible that's actually quite laughable. It is well known who wrote the books of the bible in fact many of the books are named after the person who wrote them in other cases information about who wrote them has been passed down over time.

Did you realise that it's possible for all religions to be made up and also for God to exist?  It is my personaly belief that yes a greater power exists and that the world makes less sense without a greater power than with. Religions have mostly been about humans reaching out to God rather than God reaching out to humans. It's possible for all religion to have a degree of validity.


Yes yes, it was just basically written by Mohamed.  So, a book with Scientific facts no one in that century had a right to know.  Written in a style no one in that age nor in any any other couldn't match.  A book that talks about the origins of the Jewish and Christian religions bringing them back to the way they were before they were changed, fixing the mistakes and contradictions in them at the same time.  A book that shows and understanding of the world far greater than anything else out there at the time. 

 

ALL of that was written by an illiterate merchant who had no formal education or training of any kind.  So, Mohamed knew Hebrew to read the Torah, read the bible, AND THEN translated them both, altered them, changed the style (I emphasise the style because it is truly the greatest-For the sake of argument one of the greatest instead of the greatest-written works of all time) to a style that is COMPLETELY different from his own (an insane amount of his quotes are preserved perfectly till now) all of that in his free time.

 

I'm not going to sit and convince you why I beleive the Muslim religion is true, however, when there are experts that doubt that Shakespear wrote his plays (look it up, it's weird) Why do people just disregard the Quran saying, oh yeah he wrote it, when the impossibility of it is astounding?

 

 

For the sake of the OP......Ouch, I I don't even know what to say to a person like that....The part that confused me the most was when she asked us to think about it.  I think thinking kind of defeats her purpose.

Also muhammad was a carpenter. SOUND FAMILIAR

Either god has a thing for wood or more likely these religions just copy each other for convenience sake when their making it up.



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snyps on 10 February 2013

Why do ppl even talk about this stuff... Why care? Spend time with ur kids/parents and u will gain morality and happiness. Fighting over whether invisible things are real is counter productive to a full life.