Yea, most of those franchises are flops too, at least compared to what they used to be.

I mean didn't Street Fighter 2 for SNES sell 8 million units? It wasn't even an exclusive either. So Street Fighter X Tekken, yea that didn't do that well.

Dead or Alive isn't what it used to be.

Soul Calibur has really dropped the ball. SC1 and 2 were amazing fighters, among the best for the time, but 3-5 really don't inovate the franchise, and yea, I'd call them flops.

Tekken Tag Team, again not the same thing as it used to be on PS1, I recall several Tekken games sold around 5 million a peice back then.

and Mortal Kombat Vita? Vita games in general are all flops, except for maybe the big 3 (Uncharted, CoD AC) and Persona 4 (which sold well compared to the other ports of the series).

As for Persona 4 Arena....Persona is a niche genre, while the game might have recieved great reviews, it doesn;t have a large JRPG/Fighter loving combined audience.

So yes, PSALBR is a flop.

So what you want to say is, Sony makes boring, lame, bad games not the lack of good marketing is the problem the quality of their games is the problem.

Yes I am with you on this, most of Sonys own IPs are just lame, Sony should put out lesser IPs in general but therefor encourage the quality of the outstanding remaining IPs.

Do you have also a own opinion or just rehash the bullshit views of Marcus Beer. Marcus Beer has not the slightest clue about the gaming industrie most of what this guy talks is complete bullshit.

One can argue that maybe the genre of fighting games is now a flop.  It at least isn't a major niche the way it was.  Maybe it got played out at this point.  The kicker about All-Stars is people had expectation that it would end up exceeding the sales of all these other fighting games.  Go figure.

Its the gamers fault. All too ready to put them as part of some EPIC PS3 exclusive list....but dont show the cash to back it up.

Just my take. Something people dont want to own up to.

PS3 has 75 million users now, but we're late in the cycle - the average PS3 customer only bought two games in 2012...and they sure as hell weren't going to buy these games most of the times. These games would have done well in 2007 or 2008 when PS3 was relatively starved for content and users were buying 4-5 games a year.

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I agree, I was going to type this exact same thing. These games (along with TLOS and what ever exclusives that will come out for the PS360) are just too late cycle to have any bonified sales. Outside the super blockbusters, mid tier games are not going to set the world on fire sales wise.

I have to step in here.

I get it you loved the game, but best fighter from the year? That is a joke.

Soul calibur 5, Tekken tag tournament 2, Dead of alive 5, Virtua fighter 5 final showdown, Persona 4 arena.

No, it just wasnt. Sure i admit it couldve been a great game for you, but its not the best of the year, not by a long-shot.

I disagree, the fighting genre is still huge. Why else does Smash Bros continue to grow?

DoA wasn't a huge franchise, so the fact that it did okay, means that okay it wasn't a flop.

However Street Fighter X Tekken? TTT2? Mortal Kombat PSV? Yea those were flops compared to even just 5 year old games.

PSALBY...with it's long and cumbersome name was a flop. It's a Smash Bros Clone, and sold 5% as well. Compare this with other, more successful compeditors like Forza, which sold 50% as well as GT5, or Killzone, which sells 20% as well as Halo (Not a clone, btw, just a FPS exclusive compeditor).

Heck Banjo Kazooie: Nuts and Bolts sold 50% better then this and 25% as well as the original, and most consider that a flop too.

So why didn't a Sony game With Kratos and Nathan Drake etc characters sell anywhere nearly as well?

Also didn't TvC sell well considering we don't have the Tatsunoko brand in North America? Wait it did, Tvs.C was the 6th best selling Capcom vs. game ever made. It sold 65% as well as the best selling Capcom vs. game and was only beaten recently by Capcom vs. Marvel 3

I wouldn't call Tatsunoko vs. Capcom a flop since it did well compared to other games in the series and other crossovers.