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timmah said:
ninjablade said:

 

 

Also, there are no complaints about bandwidth from developers, so that should tell something.

yea but i don't need complaints when you can see it in games like zombieu, epic micky and blops 2.

Your comparisons are still just silly. ZombiU is a launch game that started off as a 360/PS3 game originally, and they would have had limited time with the final dev kit to make launch day, Epic Mickey was ported by a B studio in 6 months or less (and was poorly done in all aspects even on the other systems), and BLOPS2 was a quick port (by necessity) designed for different architecture as well. One of the most demanding games (Mass Effect 3) actually did pretty well on the WiiU overall in spite of it being a quick port, Trine 2 on WiiU kicked the HD Twins' butts, and ground-up stuff will be able to surpass what the PS360 are capable of, period. You clearly have no concept of architecture, nor any ability to look at things in a balanced way, and you gloat every time some 'bad' news comes out about the WiiU. It obviously won't be as powerful as the PS4/720, but the gap is MUCH smaller than the Wii-360 gap (~20x difference for Wii-360, 3-5x difference for WiiU-PS4/720). This zealous (confirmation bias fueled) witch hunt of yours is pretty entertaining to watch.

why should i listen to you when i see inferior ports, comments from vigil, metro last light, tecmo and beyond3d tech members say its on par with currentgen. you call everbody biased cause they don't share your opinion, dude try to calm down, your think your some kind of tech god? even tecmo which defends wiiu all the time and have on hand experiance  stated they do know if it's more powerful.



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thismeintiel said:
gronk-bonk said:
ninjablade said:

will its wiiu fualt and its not, the reason why most ports are inferior is because in some aspects its weaker then 360, cpu and memory bandwidth, can developers with more time get around the bottle necks, probably but i'm not 100% sure till i start seeing better MP versions on the wiiu.


no it is isnt. They were rushed for the launch. It is simple as that. They had 6 months to 1 year to make a wii u version, while the developers had 6 years of experience and optimizations trick  for the other consol version.It has nothing to do with limitations of the console. Trine 2 director cut on the wii u cannot run on the ps3/360 without donwgrading. Alien colonial marines Wii U will be the best looking console version. So your argument is flawed in so many ways

To be fair, 6 months to 1 year is hardly a rush job when a port is concerned, especially on a console that was touted to be able to handle 360 ports quite easily.  In comparison, a developer for the Vita said it only took his team a matter of weeks to port their PS3 game over to the Vita.  So, if the developers truly had 6 months to a year to port it over to the Wii U, and more demanding aspects of it performed worse, than there must be some bottlenecks to overcome.  Can they?  Probably.  But, do they care to will be the big question.  Especially if Nintendo doesn't do something to change its current sales.

Also, both of you need to learn how to trim qoute trees. 


we have the specs, fact is memory bandwidth and cpu are weaker then current gen, sure it has more flops but those are 2 huge bottle necks, and i haven't seen any proof yet or explanation how to over come them. developers already have the foundation for wiiu, the the hd gen developers made new engines for textures and ighting, just to take advanatge of the power they had. wiiu already has thid in place.



After reading all that i have come to the conclusion.....ninjablade doesnt like the WiiU very much.



I find the Wii U's power is fine. It may not be on par with the next gen versions of Playstation and Xbox, but it is powerful enough to bring great experiences in my opinion. If Nintendo can bring us PS3 like exclusive quality or better then I'm sold. With Nintendo at the helm I expect great first party titles from the Wii U. Third party games ... not so much. But oh well .... pros and cons with everything I suppose.



 

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ninjablade said:
gronk-bonk said:
ninjablade said:

i will bet you a 2 week ban bet that multi-paform games will stay inferior to the 360 version, the next 5 multipltform games, the only problem is, we don't even know if there any more MP games coming out anytime soon , with the horrible sales.

You have been moderated a few times, so your account will be endagered for a permaband. How about signature control? The bet will prove nothing. As it still favors my argument. Nontheless im willing.


ok bet is on, 3d retail games, only though.


and high profile games, we want a good comparision. We want to avoid comapring just dance 4 and other trash. Ok friendo the bet is on.



Bet with ninjablade:

Ninjablade wins if the next 5 multiplat on the wii u are inferior to the 360 version.

I win if one of the 5 mulitplats are on par or superior on the Wii U.

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gronk-bonk said:
ninjablade said:
gronk-bonk said:
ninjablade said:

i will bet you a 2 week ban bet that multi-paform games will stay inferior to the 360 version, the next 5 multipltform games, the only problem is, we don't even know if there any more MP games coming out anytime soon , with the horrible sales.

You have been moderated a few times, so your account will be endagered for a permaband. How about signature control? The bet will prove nothing. As it still favors my argument. Nontheless im willing.


ok bet is on, 3d retail games, only though.


and high profile games, we want a good comparision. We want to avoid comapring just dance 4 and other trash. Ok friendo the bet is on.


... Keep in mind that the next few multiplats are going to be things like Medal of Honor Warfighter.  Crappy games likely to get crappy ports.



zippy said:
After reading all that i have come to the conclusion.....ninjablade doesnt like the WiiU very much.

A valueable lesson indeed.



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_crazy_man_ said:
zippy said:
After reading all that i have come to the conclusion.....ninjablade doesnt like the WiiU very much.

A valueable lesson indeed.


We've also learned that people like long quote trees.



WagnerPaiva said:
itsJabby said:
I wish i knew what some of this means haha! i wont get into any next gen debates, i really dont care for those that much. I honestly enjoy the system and can't wait for more games.


Good for you man, if you are having fun, that is all that matters. I am sure WiiU will find his public, it has a certain appeal, of course.

However, people like me, who owned a PS3 and a XBOX360 for years, and have played the shit out of those sexy beasts, will not be happy about the WIIU and what it brings to the table.

I can´t wait to have a new console, but after 6 years, it better be much more awesome than the HD TWINS, it has to be. At least for me to buy.

 

If you only had a Wii, then to buy a WiiU is a no brainer, of course you going to buy it. But if you had a taste of the HD twins, man, it is to late to go back.

I understand if kids feels like they have to own only one console and be loyal, it is a money thing, I was a kid once, had only one console each gen, and just a few games.

Now I am 31, I work hard to mantaing my house and, this hobby called video gaming.

And it is not an expensive one, if you have a job. I know guys that collect cars and go out with luxury prostitutes, now, that is expensive.

And of course, the most expensive hobby of all: getting married, if you do that, you might as well be a kid again, you will barelly have money and time for ONE console...

Well, that got a little off topic.

Nintendo fans, enjoy your WiiU, it has HD, good for you, have fun. But understand why we are NOT excited, we of course would love to buy a Nintendo console again, but it has to be worthy...


So you're saying it's not possible to a) enjoy the Wii and an HD console at the same time? or b) play a game with more traditional controls in HD and then go back and play a Wii game? Superchunk once showed a graph of the (theortical) number of people who owned more than one console, and the most common combination was Wii + Xbox/360. I wish I would have saved it to whip it out now.

 

And I know I'm just one man, but I go back and forth between HD games using twin sticks and Wii games all the time. If a game is fun, graphics or control options don't mean a thang.



JWeinCom said:
_crazy_man_ said:
zippy said:
After reading all that i have come to the conclusion.....ninjablade doesnt like the WiiU very much.

A valueable lesson indeed.


We've also learned that people like long quote trees.

I think every thread has the potential to teach that lesson.



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