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Mazty on 04 February 2013
ethomaz said:

Mazty said:

Any idea how the GPU fairs in terms of 1080p DX11 performance e.g. expecting either 30 fps or 60 fps avg?

Both case will have the power to render a game in 1080p@60fps in 3D (120fps).

Well sure if the games graphics are poor. But I doubt that's the case for something like Metro2033. 

I think expecting 120fps 1080p 3D may be a stretch if we consider the horsepower needed to do that on a PC. 

I'll be more specific - what will that GPU be capable of in terms of Frostbite 2.0?



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ethomaz on 04 February 2013

Mazty said:

Well sure if the games graphics are poor. But I doubt that's the case for something like Metro2033.

I think expecting 120fps 1080p 3D may be a stretch if we consider the horsepower needed to do that on a PC.

I'll be more specific - what will that GPU be capable of in terms of Frostbite 2.0?

It's not 120fps in 3D... it's 60fps in 3D so you need 120fps to do that.

The Battlefield 3 can run at 1080p + 60fps in any of these consoles wihtou optimizations... so with console specifics optimizations we can have even better performance.

 



dahuman on 04 February 2013
Mazty said:
ethomaz said:

Mazty said:

Any idea how the GPU fairs in terms of 1080p DX11 performance e.g. expecting either 30 fps or 60 fps avg?

Both case will have the power to render a game in 1080p@60fps in 3D (120fps).

Well sure if the games graphics are poor. But I doubt that's the case for something like Metro2033. 

I think expecting 120fps 1080p 3D may be a stretch if we consider the horsepower needed to do that on a PC. 

I'll be more specific - what will that GPU be capable of in terms of Frostbite 2.0?


1080p 30FPS Maxed out shouldn't be a problem for BF3, targetting 60 FPS would result in a lot of fluctuations.



Mazty on 04 February 2013
dahuman said:
Mazty said:
ethomaz said:

Mazty said:

Any idea how the GPU fairs in terms of 1080p DX11 performance e.g. expecting either 30 fps or 60 fps avg?

Both case will have the power to render a game in 1080p@60fps in 3D (120fps).

Well sure if the games graphics are poor. But I doubt that's the case for something like Metro2033. 

I think expecting 120fps 1080p 3D may be a stretch if we consider the horsepower needed to do that on a PC. 

I'll be more specific - what will that GPU be capable of in terms of Frostbite 2.0?


1080p 30FPS Maxed out shouldn't be a problem for BF3, targetting 60 FPS would result in a lot of fluctuations.

Yeah that's what I was thinking. Should be interesting to see what the exclusives look like.



Mazty on 04 February 2013
ethomaz said:

Mazty said:

Well sure if the games graphics are poor. But I doubt that's the case for something like Metro2033.

I think expecting 120fps 1080p 3D may be a stretch if we consider the horsepower needed to do that on a PC.

I'll be more specific - what will that GPU be capable of in terms of Frostbite 2.0?

It's not 120fps in 3D... it's 60fps in 3D so you need 120fps to do that.

The Battlefield 3 can run at 1080p + 60fps in any of these consoles wihtou optimizations... so with console specifics optimizations we can have even better performance.

 

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-670-review,3200-5.html

I should have said "maxed out". But yeah, no chance in hell that the consoles can run 1080p 60fps BF3 maxed out. I think you are expecting far too much from them. They'll be good sure, but not as good as you are saying. 



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dahuman on 04 February 2013
Mazty said:
dahuman said:
Mazty said:
ethomaz said:

Mazty said:

Any idea how the GPU fairs in terms of 1080p DX11 performance e.g. expecting either 30 fps or 60 fps avg?

Both case will have the power to render a game in 1080p@60fps in 3D (120fps).

Well sure if the games graphics are poor. But I doubt that's the case for something like Metro2033. 

I think expecting 120fps 1080p 3D may be a stretch if we consider the horsepower needed to do that on a PC. 

I'll be more specific - what will that GPU be capable of in terms of Frostbite 2.0?


1080p 30FPS Maxed out shouldn't be a problem for BF3, targetting 60 FPS would result in a lot of fluctuations.

Yeah that's what I was thinking. Should be interesting to see what the exclusives look like.

If they target 720p then we should have some very nice looking games.



ethomaz on 04 February 2013

Mazty said:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-670-review,3200-5.html

I should have said "maxed out". But yeah, no chance in hell that the consoles can run 1080p 60fps BF3 maxed out. I think you are expecting far too much from them. They'll be good sure, but not as good as you are saying.

That's the point... in a console a PC hardware do way better than that benchs... I can see at least 30% better.

So the PS4/720 will run Battlefield 3 at 60fps in 1080p easily.



Mazty on 04 February 2013
ethomaz said:

Mazty said:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-670-review,3200-5.html

I should have said "maxed out". But yeah, no chance in hell that the consoles can run 1080p 60fps BF3 maxed out. I think you are expecting far too much from them. They'll be good sure, but not as good as you are saying.

That's the point... in a console a PC hardware do way better than that benchs... I can see at least 30% better.

So the PS4/720 will run Battlefield 3 at 60fps in 1080p easily.


I don't think you realise that all those cards are considerably more powerful than the GPU's found in the consoles, not to mention the CPU in the benchmark rig is also a lot more powerful.



Mazty on 04 February 2013
dahuman said:
Mazty said:

Yeah that's what I was thinking. Should be interesting to see what the exclusives look like.

If they target 720p then we should have some very nice looking games.

Possibly. The only problem with that is considering the average TV size is now 32"+ with a lot being 37"+ 720p may look just a little blurry/not sharp enough. Plus the AA needed at 720p seems to offset the higher resolutions which can skimp on AA due to the finer detail. 

http://www.displaysearchblog.com/2012/10/average-size-of-lcd-tv-panels-increases-by-2-inches-in-12-months/

Do you recon tessellation will become more mainstream with these GPUs?



ethomaz on 04 February 2013

Mazty said:

I don't think you realise that all those cards are considerably more powerful than the GPU's found in the consoles, not to mention the CPU in the benchmark rig is also a lot more powerful.

The PS3 uses a little better than HD 7850 + "Special Sauce"... 720 a GPU + "Special Sauce" = PS4 performance.

A HD 7850 + "Special Sauce" + Console Optmizations can run Battlefield in 1080p + 60fps in a console.

In fact when you put a HD 7850 in a console that GPU can reach HD 7970 performance or even better.