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Forums - General - The origin of human cruelty--where does it come from?

Often times, what are seen as outright cruelty comes from individuals who believe they are on a just mission, and the extremes are justified.  There is a belief you need to send a message to people, and intimidate and bully, to get what you want.  You believe you are entitled to certain things, and people unjustly have them.  There is also a push to pay back those who believe wronged you or your group.  Part of this is a group mentality also, where you believe your group was wronged.  End result, you do horrible things in the name of what is right.



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I'd say it all stems from blacks and jews.



weaveworld said:
I'd say we're nothing more then animals but that would be an insult to animals.
You don't think sick stuff like that isn't going on anymore?



Oh I know it still goes on today....

 

A couple of months ago, on the BBC World Service, they were interviewing a lady from an African country, I forget which one, it might have been Republic of Congo.  But anyway, she survived an ordeal where some thugs beat her up, and cut off one of her feet, threw her foot in the fire, and told one of her kids to eat her dismembered foot, and when her child refused, they killed that child.  I don't even know how a person would even think of doing something like that.....



The whole nature is cruel, if you think about. Cruelty is not a human monopoly. If you take a deeper look at animal life you will see that there is slavery, prostitution, rape, incest, murder, war, cannibalism, etc. It was there before the humanity formed the first civilizations. So cruelty is nothing that was invented by humans. We were just not able to get rid of it completely by now.

It is also worth noting that civilization is nothing that you acquire by birth. It is something every individual has to earn through education. One of the overriding principles in Nature is that the strongest will survive and the weak has to die. And that is a principle that modern human civilization has overcome. There is some Altruism found in Humanity. You can see acts of violence, terrorism, war... but you will also see acts of kindness, sacrifice and love.



pokoko said:
So this is actually a post about the Rape of Nanking? The title is a bit misleading.

The only reason the Rape of Nanking is so alarming to people is that it happened fairly recently, and with a culture "civilized" enough that it scares us. Atrocities like this continue to happen in Africa even today but it's a lot more dismissable because we don't think of those places as reflecting on the civilized world. They don't worry us the same way subconsciously.

If you go back into history, the events at Nanking are nothing special. The Chinese themselves have done far, far worse, and to their own people. They have an incredibly long history of massacres and torture. Isn't Chairman Mao credited with tens of millions of deaths, including mass starvation and torture? There were Emperors who had zero regard for human life.

History is full of cruelty, but it just doesn't bother people the same way. I think it makes people worry about themselves and their own society when something like this is done by people they consider closer to their own level of civilization. They feel more ashamed of their own species than if it's done by some backwater dictator in a country they can't pronounce.

As far as human cruelty itself, there are different reasons, but it's usually related to power somehow. It's a way to reinforce power, both to the one in control and to those suffering. It's a way to feel superior and to push the other parties into an inferior level, to dehumanize them. Cruelty also has a long history of being used as a psychological weapon, to terrify enemies. Some people will do anything for power.

 

You're right, maybe because those were more recent events....

 

In terms of power, maybe selfishness is a better description??

 

Also, when you say "push the other parties into an inferior level, to dehumanize them"--that seems a bit like a contradiction.  To "dehumanize"-- does that mean it is "human" to be cruel to others and to subjugate them?  I mean, is it "human" to "dehumanize"?



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Power, Greed, Insanity, Revenge, and all of that in your subconscious as well.



Evolutionary built-in overpopulation control?



Vote the Mayor for Mayor!

hunter_alien said:
Evolutionary built-in overpopulation control?



hmmmm.....

overpopulation control?

I never thought of that...

Nature's way of population control??

I suppose....

But why would it have to be sooooo nasty and cruel?