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Gribble on 29 January 2013
gergroy said:
riderz13371 said:
Lostplanet22 said:
MS is struggeling with Xbox live Gold? Thanks to games like Halo 4 their was a big jump in Gold Accounts. Honestly I think more are dropping out of PS plus. Was happy that friends got an PS plus account so they finally could try games like Red dead redemption /just cause 2 (games that I recommended a lot) and when I asked last time they like the games they just told me they not even tried most of the free games and don't see a point anymore to keep going on with it.


PS Plus 259% increase in subscribers in November 2012

http://www.engadget.com/2012/11/29/playstation-3-vita-black-friday-2012-sales/

Without actual numbers of subscribers though that doesn't mean much.... I'm sure playstation plus is successful, but throwing out a percentage increase doesn't actually say if the subscription is popular or not.  I really hate these empty stats companies throw out.  I wish they would just give the real stats...

Looking at your friends list does though. I have 25 friends on there and 14 of them have PS+. Now if everyone who has PS+ did the same in this thread, we'd have a good idea of what the average was.



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J_Allard on 29 January 2013
riderz13371 said:
 

HAH! You gave me quite a laugh to be honest. The reason there is a clear difference between Call of Duty on Xbox and PS3 is because Activision is clearly more heavily focused on the 360 version of the game. This has nothing to do with Sony or the PS3, it is Activision's fault as well as the developer. Also in regards to your Battlefield comment, Battlefield games have had dedicated servers for a while now and therefore there is rarely any lag and there is absolutely no difference between Battlefield games on the 360 or PS3 other than the fact the PS3 users get the DLC early. I've played Bad Company 2 for over 50 hours and I have NEVER been dropped out of a game or even experienced any lag whatsoever. This is all thanks to dedicated servers. Boy do I love dedi servers.

No offense but what a load of crap. Bad Company 2 servers on PS3 (and 360, and PC) had tons of issues. And this is coming from someone who played the heck out of the game on PS3. EA is known for having terrible servers. But at least on BC2 they didn't rent them out to people, destroying the game like they did for BF3.

And you're right about one thing at least, the latency was no better or worse across the two consoles, because EA services suck consistently. The suckness does not favor one console over the other, it sucks on both equally.



gergroy on 29 January 2013
Kresnik said:
gergroy said:
riderz13371 said:
Lostplanet22 said:
MS is struggeling with Xbox live Gold? Thanks to games like Halo 4 their was a big jump in Gold Accounts. Honestly I think more are dropping out of PS plus. Was happy that friends got an PS plus account so they finally could try games like Red dead redemption /just cause 2 (games that I recommended a lot) and when I asked last time they like the games they just told me they not even tried most of the free games and don't see a point anymore to keep going on with it.


PS Plus 259% increase in subscribers in November 2012

http://www.engadget.com/2012/11/29/playstation-3-vita-black-friday-2012-sales/

Without actual numbers of subscribers though that doesn't mean much.... I'm sure playstation plus is successful, but throwing out a percentage increase doesn't actually say if the subscription is popular or not.  I really hate these empty stats companies throw out.  I wish they would just give the real stats...


That may be true, but he's just using it to respond to the bit in the post he was quoting that he bolded:

"Honestly I think more are dropping out of PS plus"

An increase in subscribers (whether small in actual number or large) of that percentage doesn't really indicate any people dropping their Plus subscription.

I agree with you that it would be so much nicer to just be given figures for everything though.  I'd really like some numbers for PSN downloads.  Alas.

well, in the regards in which he is responding it is kind of a duh that there would be an increase because it was black friday and I'm sure psn+ was probably on sale, not to mention all the ps3's on sale.  It would probably be more indicative of natural growth to get numbers of increases outside of the holiday season... maybe I'll edit my orignal post to incorporate that...



gergroy on 29 January 2013
Gribble said:
gergroy said:
riderz13371 said:
Lostplanet22 said:
MS is struggeling with Xbox live Gold? Thanks to games like Halo 4 their was a big jump in Gold Accounts. Honestly I think more are dropping out of PS plus. Was happy that friends got an PS plus account so they finally could try games like Red dead redemption /just cause 2 (games that I recommended a lot) and when I asked last time they like the games they just told me they not even tried most of the free games and don't see a point anymore to keep going on with it.


PS Plus 259% increase in subscribers in November 2012

http://www.engadget.com/2012/11/29/playstation-3-vita-black-friday-2012-sales/

Without actual numbers of subscribers though that doesn't mean much.... I'm sure playstation plus is successful, but throwing out a percentage increase doesn't actually say if the subscription is popular or not.  I really hate these empty stats companies throw out.  I wish they would just give the real stats...

Looking at your friends list does though. I have 25 friends on there and 14 of them have PS+. Now if everyone who has PS+ did the same in this thread, we'd have a good idea of what the average was.

anecdotal evidence does not give a good idea of what an average is, I'm sorry.  



Gribble on 29 January 2013
gergroy said:
Gribble said:
gergroy said:
riderz13371 said:
Lostplanet22 said:
MS is struggeling with Xbox live Gold? Thanks to games like Halo 4 their was a big jump in Gold Accounts. Honestly I think more are dropping out of PS plus. Was happy that friends got an PS plus account so they finally could try games like Red dead redemption /just cause 2 (games that I recommended a lot) and when I asked last time they like the games they just told me they not even tried most of the free games and don't see a point anymore to keep going on with it.


PS Plus 259% increase in subscribers in November 2012

http://www.engadget.com/2012/11/29/playstation-3-vita-black-friday-2012-sales/

Without actual numbers of subscribers though that doesn't mean much.... I'm sure playstation plus is successful, but throwing out a percentage increase doesn't actually say if the subscription is popular or not.  I really hate these empty stats companies throw out.  I wish they would just give the real stats...

Looking at your friends list does though. I have 25 friends on there and 14 of them have PS+. Now if everyone who has PS+ did the same in this thread, we'd have a good idea of what the average was.

anecdotal evidence does not give a good idea of what an average is, I'm sorry.  

How would it be anecdotal evidence ... or are you suggesting that some people may lie?



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gergroy on 29 January 2013
Gribble said:
gergroy said:
Gribble said:
gergroy said:
Without actual numbers of subscribers though that doesn't mean much.... I'm sure playstation plus is successful, but throwing out a percentage increase doesn't actually say if the subscription is popular or not.  I really hate these empty stats companies throw out.  I wish they would just give the real stats...

 

Looking at your friends list does though. I have 25 friends on there and 14 of them have PS+. Now if everyone who has PS+ did the same in this thread, we'd have a good idea of what the average was.

anecdotal evidence does not give a good idea of what an average is, I'm sorry.  

How would it be anecdotal evidence ... or are you suggesting that some people may lie?

an·ec·do·tal  

/ˌanikˈdōtl/ 
Adjective
  1. (of an account) Not necessarily true or reliable, because based on personal accounts rather than facts or research.

understand?



Wh1pL4shL1ve_007 on 29 January 2013
Gribble said:
gergroy said:
riderz13371 said:
Lostplanet22 said:
MS is struggeling with Xbox live Gold? Thanks to games like Halo 4 their was a big jump in Gold Accounts. Honestly I think more are dropping out of PS plus. Was happy that friends got an PS plus account so they finally could try games like Red dead redemption /just cause 2 (games that I recommended a lot) and when I asked last time they like the games they just told me they not even tried most of the free games and don't see a point anymore to keep going on with it.


PS Plus 259% increase in subscribers in November 2012

http://www.engadget.com/2012/11/29/playstation-3-vita-black-friday-2012-sales/

Without actual numbers of subscribers though that doesn't mean much.... I'm sure playstation plus is successful, but throwing out a percentage increase doesn't actually say if the subscription is popular or not.  I really hate these empty stats companies throw out.  I wish they would just give the real stats...

Looking at your friends list does though. I have 25 friends on there and 14 of them have PS+. Now if everyone who has PS+ did the same in this thread, we'd have a good idea of what the average was.

Most people here.. dare I say it.. are hardcore gamers. We know that Xbox 360 and Ps3 have a majority of casuals and core. I think most will agree that the casuals will not payfor PS+ and a miniscule amount of core pays for PS+ and the majority of hardcore gamers (incl me) pay for Ps+. 

We wont get an accurate reading based on the VGchartz community.. trust me. 



Yay!!!

Wh1pL4shL1ve_007 on 29 January 2013

Anyway, I hope more and more people will critisize XBL for its service not being up to notch. This would then force XBL to implement a similar system. (Although I dont think XBL is a ripoff solely because of XBLA)



Yay!!!

Gribble on 29 January 2013
gergroy said:
Gribble said:
gergroy said:
Gribble said:
gergroy said:
Without actual numbers of subscribers though that doesn't mean much.... I'm sure playstation plus is successful, but throwing out a percentage increase doesn't actually say if the subscription is popular or not.  I really hate these empty stats companies throw out.  I wish they would just give the real stats...

 

Looking at your friends list does though. I have 25 friends on there and 14 of them have PS+. Now if everyone who has PS+ did the same in this thread, we'd have a good idea of what the average was.

anecdotal evidence does not give a good idea of what an average is, I'm sorry.  

How would it be anecdotal evidence ... or are you suggesting that some people may lie?

 

an·ec·do·tal  

/ˌanikˈdōtl/ 

 

Adjective
  1. (of an account) Not necessarily true or reliable, because based on personal accounts rather than facts or research.

understand?

So you think that people will lie.

understand?



S.T.A.G.E. on 29 January 2013
riderz13371 said:
MB1025 said:
pezus said:
MB1025 said:
bertlsenix said:
J_Allard said:
It's a great service for customers but lol @ comparing it to XBL. They are two different services that offer two different things.


Yeah its wrong to compare them cause PSN+ is in every way superior and customer friendly.
And of course they offer different thngs...PSN+ is offering a lot of value in terms of free stuff for the customer and better quality for services both share.


No XBL is the entire experiecne from online gaming, apps, and so on. PS+ is a subscription based service that has nothing to do with online gaming and apps.

You have to pay for the same apps as PS players have to, no? PS3's entire online experience is free, so you can see why people say XBLGold compares unfavourably to Plus - which is an additional service, that is still cheaper than a year of Gold.


No you comapre Xbox Live to PSN. Not PS Plus which is a side service that give you free content. You don't need PS Plus to play online. However I would rather pay 60 dollars a year to have a better online experience with first and thrid party than Sony's free experience and have have a mediocre expereince.

In the end that is Son'y fault. They had to play catch up with their entire online sevice for years and still they are far behind when it comes to cross chat and connectivity. There is a CLEAR difference between Call of Duty and Battlefield on Xbox and those same games on PS3. People who play Call of Duty on PS3 get kicked out of games on the regular for no reason. No problems on Xbox though.

HAH! You gave me quite a laugh to be honest. The reason there is a clear difference between Call of Duty on Xbox and PS3 is because Activision is clearly more heavily focused on the 360 version of the game. This has nothing to do with Sony or the PS3, it is Activision's fault as well as the developer. Also in regards to your Battlefield comment, Battlefield games have had dedicated servers for a while now and therefore there is rarely any lag and there is absolutely no difference between Battlefield games on the 360 or PS3 other than the fact the PS3 users get the DLC early. I've played Bad Company 2 for over 50 hours and I have NEVER been dropped out of a game or even experienced any lag whatsoever. This is all thanks to dedicated servers. Boy do I love dedi servers.

There is no clear difference between the PS3 and 360 version of Black Ops besides how the game runs and thats based on console specs. Games are virtually equal, its just that Xbox Live gamers have to pay to play it online and Activision gives them early DLC. They can argue until their blue in the face but it will never change the fact.