| ryuzaki57 said: That was mine! But actually I hesitate to use it anymore since I took a moderation warning... |
I had it in my Sig first! 
I actually want to use it again... but people would most likely get butt-hurt.
| Gamerace said: We all know Nintendo home console business had been in a state of continual decline since the NES right through to Gamecube. Nintendo realized they couldn't win a straight on battle with MS/Sony for the core gamer, so they did something remarkable. They decided to create a whole new audience. Their 'blue ocean strategy'. To this end they embraced the wiimote - a controller that did away with the monstrousity of buttons and sticks of the dual analog controller, that most common everyday people wouldn't touch and replaced them with simple intuitive motions. They devised games like Wii Sports, Wii Fit and Wii Music - themes that everyone could immediately understand and enjoy. And excepting Wii Music, but including Mario Kart Wii this drove sales to all new audiences. Vast amounts of women, girls, 'lapsed gamers' (like myself), non-gamers and even retired folks played, loved and purchased Wiis. But dispite the success of the blue ocean strategy, after 2010 Nintendo abandoned it to instead release only classic fare - mostly 2D platformers and games that did little to nothing to push the gaming envelope or even provide their new audience with anything to play except for lacklasture fare like Wii Party and Wii Motion Play. Meanwhile MS and Apple were stealing thier audience with Kinect (which has now outsold GC in half the time) and ipads/iphones. WiiU was Nintendo's opportunity to reclaim their new audience and dominance. But instead of following the path of simplicity, accessibilty and fun that made Wii, Kinect, and iphones/iPads so successful, they went right back to the monstrousity of the dual analog controller now with added touch screen and motion and need for wiimotes still, and optional pro controller to create the most convoluted mess of a controller ever. There's simply no initial enticement for anyone to want to use this. People will either stick with their Wiis, tablets or their PS3/360s. In the end it's all about the games. Wii Sports is what sold the idea of motion controllers. So despite Wii being about as powerful as a previous gen Xbox, everyone still wanted one, because it could do something the other HD systems couldn't. At least, up until 2010 when it stopped being unique. Powerwise WiiU isn't significantly better than current gen system. So once again Nintendo needs to provide a unique experience, that's fun, accessible and appealing to all. Else, there's simply no reason to leave Wii/360+Kinect or PS3+Move or tablets with their simple, fun and often free games. So today Nintendo did something daring and surprisingly out of character and spilled the beans on all their upcoming games. Nintendo fans rejoice!! More Zelda! More 3D Mario. More Mario Kart. More Fire Emblem. More Yoshi. More Xenoblade (maybe) and even a HD Wind Waker. Okay great news. If you're a Nintendo fan. If not... There's nothing here. WiiU Party and a bit of new info on WiiU Fit is the only casual fare they gave and neither one of those is going to get much more than a passing glance from the casual crowd Nintendo won over with Wii. On the flip-side, if your a core gamer but not into Nintendo franchises there's still nothing here. WiiU is a direct return to Gamecube status - catering to the Nintendo faithful with only paltry attempts to win over core/casuals. Now moreso than ever before, I expect WiiU to emulate Gamecube in sales. The market has grown and WiiU will get some leftover Wii love so I've no doubt WiiU will outsell GC but by returning to a red ocean strategy with aging IPs and no innovation (touch screens are not innovative in 2012) Nintendo is guaranteeing themselves a third place finish this gen. |
Kinect outsold Wii? Why you compare it with GC but not with Wii? Which one has sold more since 2010? You're basically saying with this post, that Nintendo is leaving the casual market and going back to the hardcore? But how, they release a very different type of controller, just as revolutionary as the wiimote perhaps, but Nintendo didn't anticipate it to disappoint in sales. Nintendo never left their blue ocean strategy. All the hardcore titles you summed up, they all released on Wii before 2010, and why you act like this year means anything special anyway. There was little Wii could do against the iPad. They're 2 different markets. iOS games existed years before the iPad.
| Gamerace said: So today Nintendo did something daring and surprisingly out of character and spilled the beans on all their upcoming games. Nintendo fans rejoice!! More Zelda! More 3D Mario. More Mario Kart. More Fire Emblem. More Yoshi. More Xenoblade (maybe) and even a HD Wind Waker. Okay great news. If you're a Nintendo fan. If not... There's nothing here. |
This.
Now I am almost certain that Wii U can't recover and my prediction to sell between GC and N64 will most likely be spot on. Good news.
| Gamerace said: We all know Nintendo home console business had been in a state of continual decline since the NES right through to Gamecube. Nintendo realized they couldn't win a straight on battle with MS/Sony for the core gamer, so they did something remarkable. They decided to create a whole new audience. Their 'blue ocean strategy'. To this end they embraced the wiimote - a controller that did away with the monstrousity of buttons and sticks of the dual analog controller, that most common everyday people wouldn't touch and replaced them with simple intuitive motions. They devised games like Wii Sports, Wii Fit and Wii Music - themes that everyone could immediately understand and enjoy. And excepting Wii Music, but including Mario Kart Wii this drove sales to all new audiences. Vast amounts of women, girls, 'lapsed gamers' (like myself), non-gamers and even retired folks played, loved and purchased Wiis. But dispite the success of the blue ocean strategy, after 2010 Nintendo abandoned it to instead release only classic fare - mostly 2D platformers and games that did little to nothing to push the gaming envelope or even provide their new audience with anything to play except for lacklasture fare like Wii Party and Wii Motion Play. Meanwhile MS and Apple were stealing thier audience with Kinect (which has now outsold GC in half the time) and ipads/iphones. WiiU was Nintendo's opportunity to reclaim their new audience and dominance. But instead of following the path of simplicity, accessibilty and fun that made Wii, Kinect, and iphones/iPads so successful, they went right back to the monstrousity of the dual analog controller now with added touch screen and motion and need for wiimotes still, and optional pro controller to create the most convoluted mess of a controller ever. There's simply no initial enticement for anyone to want to use this. People will either stick with their Wiis, tablets or their PS3/360s. In the end it's all about the games. Wii Sports is what sold the idea of motion controllers. So despite Wii being about as powerful as a previous gen Xbox, everyone still wanted one, because it could do something the other HD systems couldn't. At least, up until 2010 when it stopped being unique. Powerwise WiiU isn't significantly better than current gen system. So once again Nintendo needs to provide a unique experience, that's fun, accessible and appealing to all. Else, there's simply no reason to leave Wii/360+Kinect or PS3+Move or tablets with their simple, fun and often free games. So today Nintendo did something daring and surprisingly out of character and spilled the beans on all their upcoming games. Nintendo fans rejoice!! More Zelda! More 3D Mario. More Mario Kart. More Fire Emblem. More Yoshi. More Xenoblade (maybe) and even a HD Wind Waker. Okay great news. If you're a Nintendo fan. If not... There's nothing here. WiiU Party and a bit of new info on WiiU Fit is the only casual fare they gave and neither one of those is going to get much more than a passing glance from the casual crowd Nintendo won over with Wii. On the flip-side, if your a core gamer but not into Nintendo franchises there's still nothing here. WiiU is a direct return to Gamecube status - catering to the Nintendo faithful with only paltry attempts to win over core/casuals. Now moreso than ever before, I expect WiiU to emulate Gamecube in sales. The market has grown and WiiU will get some leftover Wii love so I've no doubt WiiU will outsell GC but by returning to a red ocean strategy with aging IPs and no innovation (touch screens are not innovative in 2012) Nintendo is guaranteeing themselves a third place finish this gen. |
Third place maybe, but with a nice profit, not bad at all.
My grammar errors are justified by the fact that I am a brazilian living in Brazil. I am also very stupid.
| Gamerace said: If not... There's nothing here. WiiU Party and a bit of new info on WiiU Fit is the only casual fare they gave and neither one of those is going to get much more than a passing glance from the casual crowd Nintendo won over with Wii. On the flip-side, if your a core gamer but not into Nintendo franchises there's still nothing here. |
1. The people who are going to be buying games like Wii Fit U, Just Dance, etc, aren't going to be watching a Nintendo Direct. So it doesn't make sense to spend a lot of time talking about them in such a context. They'll release that sort of info through events, not through internet streams. The only time they spent talking about Wii Fit U was to talk about its connection to MiiVerse - MiiVerse was the focus. The new party game was mostly mentioned as an aside, as "we're making a new 3D Mario, a new Mario Kart, and here's a hint of another game, too, that we're not going to spend much time on today".
2. This was all about Nintendo's own upcoming games. That is, games that Nintendo is publishing. You expect Nintendo to have a long line of non-Nintendo franchises in a Nintendo Direct focused on Nintendo-published games?
In short, you're judging the situation very poorly. This isn't the full Wii U lineup for the future, it's a selection of games that fit a very specific subset.
There's more Nintendo Directs coming up, and then E3. If they're going to talk about games that will attract mainstream interest, it'll be at E3, when the mainstream media are watching closely, and get a chance to go hands-on with some of the games. Or, Nintendo will actually invite the mainstream media around to sample a game directly.
VGKing said:
Not at all. I myself have no interested in any of the titles, but I do see it from a Nintendo fans point of view and it was an exciting presentation. Does that make me a Nintendo basher? No. I just prefer more mature games but this is a discussion for a different time. |
My last Nintendo console was a SNES, yes, I have a 3ds, but handhelds don´t count. The Xenoblade U trailer got me really interested in buying the WIIU. So, he is right, the only people that did not got intrigued by today news are the Nintendo haters.
My grammar errors are justified by the fact that I am a brazilian living in Brazil. I am also very stupid.
| Wyrdness said: "Powerwise WiiU isn't significantly better than current gen system." Err what?    The isn't a current gen game on PS3 or 360 in the same ball park as this with this sheer scale. |
Yeah, this game looks quite awesome!
And I can't wait to get my hands on Wind Waker HD. My favorite in the series. As long as they keep the charm of the original version, I won't be disappointed! =)
Anyone else feel like this Nintendo Direct showing was better than Nintendo's last 3 E3 press conferences combined?
| abroZ said: Anyone else feel like this Nintendo Direct showing was better than Nintendo's last 3 E3 press conferences combined? |
Can't remember last 3 but definitely the last one.
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