i think the game industry needs better lobbyists
i think the game industry needs better lobbyists
He's got the right idea, but is running with it in the wrong direction (and couching it in the usual Nader dosage of alarm). We do need to open a national dialogue about why the media (this being both journalism and the TV/movies/games/books) seems to sell itself with violence, even as we are increasingly seeing violence portrayed more realistically (that is, violent media often shows violence as a horrible thing, like in The Hunger Games, yet still sells itself on the adventures of a plucky girl killing other young people).
We need to reduce our tolerance for violence, culturally, across the board, as much by defusing gang warfare as by reducing the amount of "glory" that mass-killers get, glorifying figures in the past who won great changes without having to leave 100,000 dead in their wake, by encouraging artists and creators who highlight other aspects of the human condition, and mostly by attacking our culture of fear of the "other," which itself is part of the general package of breeding tolerance and political correctness.

Monster Hunter: pissing me off since 2010.
I call BS. I've played DoA Beach Volleyball and I have yet to be molested proper. He spews lies!
Before the PS3 everyone was nice to me :(

Actually, I believe he called the games "electronic child molestors," not the developers. Developers aren't electronic, and the wording leans more towards the games, not the developers.
Anyways, I do agree with Khan that our overall love of violence in our culture is interesting. It's just part of human nature, I think. We are very violent by nature (generally speaking), so it's not really *that* off. It could be argued that violence is a part of our nature that we should not try to glorify, though. I don't think banning, limiting expression, or any of that is the correct choice, however.

Not nintendo surely,
maybe he should start with the govt arms dealers first
BasilZero said:
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They probably lose out if they mention anything bad about TV or movie violence. It's just easier for them to pick on the newest media. Don't worry British newspapers and most politicians are the same. It just proves how old fashioned they are.
Personally, i don't want violence watered down or censored from any media. It should be up to the creater how violent there content is. Have a adult only section for games like you have with books or movies if you like
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| wfz said: Actually, I believe he called the games "electronic child molestors," not the developers. Developers aren't electronic, and the wording leans more towards the games, not the developers. Anyways, I do agree with Khan that our overall love of violence in our culture is interesting. It's just part of human nature, I think. We are very violent by nature (generally speaking), so it's not really *that* off. It could be argued that violence is a part of our nature that we should not try to glorify, though. I don't think banning, limiting expression, or any of that is the correct choice, however. |
Right; encourage the good (and/or ridicule the bad) instead of outright banning the bad. Even moronic and damaging speech has some value, for we can only make the right decisions by knowing the whole story.

Monster Hunter: pissing me off since 2010.
Honestly, what is this guy talking about? Electronic child molesters.
Before the PS3 everyone was nice to me :(

Mr Khan said:
Right; encourage the good (and/or ridicule the bad) instead of outright banning the bad. Even moronic and damaging speech has some value, for we can only make the right decisions by knowing the whole story. |
Well, what do you mean by the bad?
I'm happy to ridicule Duke Nukem Forever because that is a tasteless and generally poor game.
But God of War, for example, is considerably more visceral and violent, but those things are there for a reason and the game just wouldn't be the same without them. It would probably top Nader's list of child-molesting games if he actually knew the first thing about the game industry, which he probably doesn't because he's an outdated dinosaur who apparently has the worldview of somebody from the 1950s with regard to media, despite supposedly being a radical leftist.
I think it goes to show that fear of change does not only exist in conservatives.
BasilZero said:
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The main arguement lies in the interactive angle.
In Die Hard you are watching a bunch of people get shot. In Dues Ex, YOU are doing the shooting.
