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VGKing on 22 January 2013
JayWood2010 said:
If you ever want to know why I get aggravated with people on this site, this is why. There is hundreds of rumors flying around and we dont know if a single one is true. Half say the NeXbox is more powerful than ps4 and then the others say PS4 is. Most likely they will be similar but we dont know a single thing about either one so speculation should be left out until we see kinect 2.0 and the NeXbox. Same goes to PS4. I could make a thread saying why people may not want the PS4 off of things ive heard as well. Wait until we get official announcements before making these type of threads instead of picking one rumor out of the 100s that we see every day

Please read the post. This is about more than just power. I'm not saying the next Xbox is underpowered. That is the least of their problems.



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CCFanboy on 22 January 2013
Soundwave said:MS can do this better than Nintendo can because they have more "street cred" with the hardcore crowd, so they can maintain that audience. 


Just no. Nintendo have WAY more expirience attacking both markets and successfully secured both with ds. By a much larger margin then microsoft had. Core gamers have proven they accept touch screen which is why nintendo took that route. They will never accept kinect.

The only market microsoft is likely to be on top of is the states. Maybe the uk but they don't have 'street cred' when attacking both markets.

That is why you see people throwing stuff at them for focusing so much on kinect.



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VGKing on 22 January 2013
kowenicki said:

A definitive statement based on rumour upon rumour and YOUR view of how gaming should be.

Excellent.

Basically "I'm a hard core gamer and I hate kinect.... they will fail"

 

if I'm not mistaken, you also said the Vita would succeed.

It's much more than that. I gave my explanations. Please re-read the post.



the2real4mafol on 22 January 2013

I see being 2nd again, but its far too early to tell



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dsgrue3 on 22 January 2013

1st or 2nd, only option for MS. Wii U is already destined for 3rd place.



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Soundwave on 22 January 2013
CCFanboy said:
Soundwave said:MS can do this better than Nintendo can because they have more "street cred" with the hardcore crowd, so they can maintain that audience. 


Just no. Nintendo have WAY more expirience attacking both markets and successfully secured both with ds. By a much larger margin then microsoft had. Core gamers have proven they accept touch screen which is why nintendo took that route. They will never accept kinect.

The only market microsoft is likely to be on top of is the states. Maybe the uk but they don't have 'street cred' when attacking both markets.

That is why you see people throwing stuff at them for focusing so much on kinect.


I was talking about credibility with the "hardcore crowd". I think you'd have to be in serious, serious denial to say the XBox brand doesn't carry much more credibility with this crowd. 

A few people will cry over Kinect, but MS' core audience is the hardcore player, so no one's going to freak out if they devote some resources to appealling to a wider, more mainstream audience as well. 

Really MS is looking at Apple, the Japanese companies, Nintendo and Sony are clueless and small potatoes in comparision a lot of ways. MS has to pay attention to what Apple is doing too, because all reports have Apple massing for a major assualt on the living room in 2013. XBox 720 will be MS' answer to Apple's iTV as well as being just a game console. 

I don't really look at the DS as a hardcore platform in the West. It has virtually zero major Western support and its third party sales outside of kids-centric brands are beyond mediocre. The top selling 3DS third party game in North America is Angry Birds, no other third party game has sold more than 400k, even Resident Evil flopped on the system. 



VGKing on 22 January 2013
Soundwave said:
CCFanboy said:
Soundwave said:MS can do this better than Nintendo can because they have more "street cred" with the hardcore crowd, so they can maintain that audience. 


Just no. Nintendo have WAY more expirience attacking both markets and successfully secured both with ds. By a much larger margin then microsoft had. Core gamers have proven they accept touch screen which is why nintendo took that route. They will never accept kinect.

The only market microsoft is likely to be on top of is the states. Maybe the uk but they don't have 'street cred' when attacking both markets.

That is why you see people throwing stuff at them for focusing so much on kinect.


I was talking about credibility with the "hardcore crowd". I think you'd have to be in serious, serious denial to say the XBox brand doesn't carry much more credibility with this crowd. 

A few people will cry over Kinect, but MS' core audience is the hardcore player, so no one's going to freak out if they devote some resources to appealling to a wider, more mainstream audience as well. 

Really MS is looking at Apple, the Japanese companies, Nintendo and Sony are clueless and small potatoes in comparision a lot of ways. MS has to pay attention to what Apple is doing too, because all reports have Apple massing for a major assualt on the living room in 2013. XBox 720 will be MS' answer to Apple's iTV as well as being just a game console. 

I get that but you have to keep in mind that these are called games consoles for a reason. People buy them for the games.



Soundwave on 22 January 2013
VGKing said:
Soundwave said:
CCFanboy said:
Soundwave said:MS can do this better than Nintendo can because they have more "street cred" with the hardcore crowd, so they can maintain that audience. 


Just no. Nintendo have WAY more expirience attacking both markets and successfully secured both with ds. By a much larger margin then microsoft had. Core gamers have proven they accept touch screen which is why nintendo took that route. They will never accept kinect.

The only market microsoft is likely to be on top of is the states. Maybe the uk but they don't have 'street cred' when attacking both markets.

That is why you see people throwing stuff at them for focusing so much on kinect.


I was talking about credibility with the "hardcore crowd". I think you'd have to be in serious, serious denial to say the XBox brand doesn't carry much more credibility with this crowd. 

A few people will cry over Kinect, but MS' core audience is the hardcore player, so no one's going to freak out if they devote some resources to appealling to a wider, more mainstream audience as well. 

Really MS is looking at Apple, the Japanese companies, Nintendo and Sony are clueless and small potatoes in comparision a lot of ways. MS has to pay attention to what Apple is doing too, because all reports have Apple massing for a major assualt on the living room in 2013. XBox 720 will be MS' answer to Apple's iTV as well as being just a game console. 

I get that but you have to keep in mind that these are called games consoles for a reason. People buy them for the games.


XBox 720 will be more than that. 

Nintendo is even trying with Nintendo TVii, they're just not an OS company, and have biten off more than they can chew (Wii U OS runs slower than molasses and is very feature limited). But even Nintendo can see where the market is shifting to. 



Jaywood2010 on 22 January 2013
VGKing said:
JayWood2010 said:
If you ever want to know why I get aggravated with people on this site, this is why. There is hundreds of rumors flying around and we dont know if a single one is true. Half say the NeXbox is more powerful than ps4 and then the others say PS4 is. Most likely they will be similar but we dont know a single thing about either one so speculation should be left out until we see kinect 2.0 and the NeXbox. Same goes to PS4. I could make a thread saying why people may not want the PS4 off of things ive heard as well. Wait until we get official announcements before making these type of threads instead of picking one rumor out of the 100s that we see every day

Please read the post. This is about more than just power. I'm not saying the next Xbox is underpowered. That is the least of their problems.


I did read the post.  Things I disagree with too.   First you are talking about rumors and power of the console.  Then you go on to say Microsoft is cocky on the success of kinect and that core gamers are pissed.  WRONG! I would say that they are preparing for next gen with core games, after we keep hearing about things they are working on.  Theyve even been building studios up for this, looking at Black Tusk Studios.  They will most likely take the same strategy as of last gen.  Competitive price and buy a lot of exclusives early in the gen for core gamers.  But hey you can ignore that.  You can also ignore the fact that sony didnt necessarily deliver last year with the PS3 or Vita either.  What did they have?  Liberation and Sony All Stars?  Nothing to brag about.  This year is better with God of War and Last of Us but my point is they havent been pumping games out either.  Why?  Because most likely they are both preparing for next gen, and I actualyl find it to be a huge mistake that Last of Us and Beyond is not PS4 titles as they would benifit more from that.  

EDIT:  Also from rumors Sony will have some kind of gimmick as well driving the price up.  You also ignore that.  It's like you just picked one rumor to make an argument out of.




       

MonstaMack on 22 January 2013
brendude13 said:
I would say there is a 33% chance Microsoft will be 3rd next gen.


Sounds legit.

Well this time Wii U has the head start and MS will be launching second. Also, as much as I hate to admit it the PS3 will probably pass the 360 by the end of the year unless A) the 720 isn't announced this year (slim chance) and b) MS cuts the price of the 360 by a good amount and Sony doesn't follow suit (slimmer chance). So while 360 was second place most of the gen they will end the gen by just missing second place. 



It's just that simple.