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They have no responsibility to convert your PS3-platform purchased titles to work on a supposed PS4. You bought those titles for a PS3, you will have no problem continuing to play them on a PS3 when the PS4 comes out. It's not like those PS3 titles will be any better on the PS4.



All of this, of course, is just my opinion.

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Don't worry you'll get them through Gaikai.



It's not going to happen. It would be far too expensive, complicated or even impossible to emulate the PS3 or use PS3 hardware in the PS4.



They aren't obligated to provide compensation, but you should most definitely hold them accountable for their own behavior. There isn't anything fundamentally wrong with your point of view. The reality is that backward compatibility is standard for most entertainment devices. If you buy movies, music, or texts. You are pretty sure that those things are yours for life at this point. For them to not adhere to this most basic of standards does show a kind of contempt for the consumer. What a lot of posters in this thread are ignoring, and willfully so I might add. Is that a overwhelming majority of consumers want, and actively demand this feature in their devices.

Most people if they are honest with you, and unfortunately a lot of people aren't being fully honest in this thread. Yeah I know what a shock. View the abandonment of previous media to be nothing more then a devious money grab on the part of corporations. We accept built in obsolescence in our hardware, but most definitely not in the intellectual properties we have purchased. Worse yet there isn't even a good excuse in the eyes of your average consumer. We aren't moving from magnetic tape to discs, and even if that were the case. Most consumers with even a modicum of knowledge know that the intellectual property they bought is digital, and not analog in nature.

At the end of the day I think it boils down to basic customer service. There is a strong argument that can be made. That backward compatibility is the fulfillment of a unwritten contract between the customer and the provider. That just plain has everything to do with fairness. You bought their software in good faith, and they should reward that faith though a commitment to continuing support. Otherwise why should you as a consumer buy in the first place. If all you are really getting is a long term rental.

I know some here put a great deal of self worth into their brand of choice, and sadly some of them cannot separate what is in their own best self interest. From what is in the companies own best interest. In this case however the are one in the same. If this feature is lacking it will harm both. Sony didn't set out to abandon the feature during the last generation, but they got jammed up and had to make sacrifices. While it wasn't a good thing, and consumers didn't like that it happened. They understood that it was a price they had to pay to save some cash up front. If it happens again it won't be viewed like that. Consumers will assume it was purely premeditated and malicious.

Personally I think Sony is going to have learned from the mistakes it made with the previous console. Using the extra hardware to do backward compatibility was a bad design choice. They didn't see to it that the primary hardware could run the old software, because they thought that they would have secondary hardware to do the job. It was quick and dirty, and Sony paid the price. Sony will probably see to it that their next system won't rely on secondary hardware to get the job done. They will see to it that the new hardware will be able to emulate the previous hardware. I have never understood the logic that says it is impossible for other chips to mimic the Cell. All Sony needs to have done is start off with that in mind.



Well, backwards compatibility is strictly a luxury imo. It's a nice bonus, but not required at all.



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Kasz216 said:
kain_kusanagi said:
I have no doubt that PSN only games will be supported since they all are lower end games as most are multiplatform anyway. But the bigger retail games could end up being left in the dust is Sony doesn't go with a Cell compatible chip like is rumored.

As for me, I always keep my consoles so while I find backwards compatibility convenient it's not a deal breaker because I can always pull out my old system. With that said, there aren't many PS3 exclusives that I've ever felt the need to replay so I'm not sure if I'll even feel the need to go back during the next gen. I'll definitly want to replay games like the Mass Effect and Portal series but I didn't get them on PS3.


The problem i have is... even well maintained, modern consoles seem to break easy... at least the Sony ones do. (I believe the original Xbox dies pretty easy too right?)

While my Bally Astrocade, Atari, NES and SNES work...

Neither of my PS2's work and my PS1 doesn't work....

I'd be shocked if my Ps3 worked in 4-5 years.
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It's one of my big reasons for shifting to PC gaming.


With older consoles you can just emulate everything anyway



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leatherhat said:
Kasz216 said:
kain_kusanagi said:
I have no doubt that PSN only games will be supported since they all are lower end games as most are multiplatform anyway. But the bigger retail games could end up being left in the dust is Sony doesn't go with a Cell compatible chip like is rumored.

As for me, I always keep my consoles so while I find backwards compatibility convenient it's not a deal breaker because I can always pull out my old system. With that said, there aren't many PS3 exclusives that I've ever felt the need to replay so I'm not sure if I'll even feel the need to go back during the next gen. I'll definitly want to replay games like the Mass Effect and Portal series but I didn't get them on PS3.


The problem i have is... even well maintained, modern consoles seem to break easy... at least the Sony ones do. (I believe the original Xbox dies pretty easy too right?)

While my Bally Astrocade, Atari, NES and SNES work...

Neither of my PS2's work and my PS1 doesn't work....

I'd be shocked if my Ps3 worked in 4-5 years.
.

It's one of my big reasons for shifting to PC gaming.


With older consoles you can just emulate everything anyway

I could, except i live in a country where for most practical purproses it's illegal...

and where the few legal uses of it like Bleem! get stomped out by countless harrassing lawsuits.



Kasz216 said:
leatherhat said:
Kasz216 said:
kain_kusanagi said:
I have no doubt that PSN only games will be supported since they all are lower end games as most are multiplatform anyway. But the bigger retail games could end up being left in the dust is Sony doesn't go with a Cell compatible chip like is rumored.

As for me, I always keep my consoles so while I find backwards compatibility convenient it's not a deal breaker because I can always pull out my old system. With that said, there aren't many PS3 exclusives that I've ever felt the need to replay so I'm not sure if I'll even feel the need to go back during the next gen. I'll definitly want to replay games like the Mass Effect and Portal series but I didn't get them on PS3.


The problem i have is... even well maintained, modern consoles seem to break easy... at least the Sony ones do. (I believe the original Xbox dies pretty easy too right?)

While my Bally Astrocade, Atari, NES and SNES work...

Neither of my PS2's work and my PS1 doesn't work....

I'd be shocked if my Ps3 worked in 4-5 years.
.

It's one of my big reasons for shifting to PC gaming.


With older consoles you can just emulate everything anyway

I could, except i live in a country where for most practical purproses it's illegal...

and where the few legal uses of it like Bleem! get stomped out by countless harrassing lawsuits.

The other thing is the PS3 will be very difficult to emulate because of it's architecture. Dolphin and PCSX2 still have a fair amount of issues, many more than the PSX and N64 emulators did, and the complexity of the PS3 cell seems years away from being able to emulate because of the amount of SPU's from a pure power standpoint, And they'd have to reverse engineer the much more complex architecture.

But my xbox 360 failed, ps2 failed, and PS3 likely will. w/o backwards compatibilty I probably won't buy a PS4 (Sony is under no obligation to make it B/C, but I'm under no obligation to buy it).

Maybe if FF or MGS are PS4 exclusive I'll change my mind, because those are the only franchises I'm really attached to on console.  (Started them both on PC actually), and imo both are getting worse, but  I'll come to that bridge later.



the best way for sony to go would be a optional B/C through a hardware expansion port.

basically you plug in a fully functional PS3 in the form of a seperate module.

that way the can keep basic model cost low and everyone can get the B/C later if they want it.



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- George Orwell, ‘1984’

Porcupine_I said:
the best way for sony to go would be a optional B/C through a hardware expansion port.

basically you plug in a fully functional PS3 in the form of a seperate module.

that way the can keep basic model cost low and everyone can get the B/C later if they want it.

agree with everything except the later part.  They should have this at launch.  Also hopefully PS4 has a usb on the back so I don't have to look at some big expansion port in my entertainment center.




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