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Persistantthug on 23 January 2013
JinxRake said:
Wow...the sense of entitlement this topic exudes is just...wow. I'm sure that back in the day it was a GREAT big problem that if your brand spanking new Nintendo 64 wouldn't work with NES cartridges...you would have to...GASP...actually install the old console and play it once again. Can anyone here actually IMAGINE something like that?
Most of the games you BOUGHT on the PC a few years back will not run properly on your current architecture. I'm 100% confident that if I go and pull out my all time favorite game from my library, Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver 2, and install it on my Windows XP PC, it won't run it -as it's already happened- and I would have to resort to internet hacks or tips. I cannot take that game to Valve and shove it under their noses and demand they give me an online copy that works with my current PC -or GoG, whoever's selling the thing now-. They would laugh at me. The developers or the publishers that put it out even more so.

It's a sad state of affairs that gamers have become so entitled that they believe they are owed something more than what is written in their EULA. You get what you pay for, the company has no way of predicting now how that software will be compatible with hardware 5 years later on. They have sold you an item for your Playstation 3. If you get tires for your Ford Fiesta and switch over to a Ford Focus later on, Ford would not be obligated to give you the same tires for your new Focus -it's a wide analogy, roll with it-.

At the same time, you have paid for content which you've consumed. It has fulfilled its intended purpose and you have received your money's worth. Restaurants will not give you money back for food you've put in your mouth and chewed. And so on.

I read some stuff on gaming sites that just make me start trusting the gamer stereotype of fat, sad men, locked away in a basement, completely cut off from reality, living in a warped and perverted bubble through which nothing resembling a real world can penetrate.

This thread sounds a few years old really. 2007, 2011, I don't really know exactly which, but somewhere around there. If it's made in a "trolling" fashion...then it's a sad excuse. If it's serious...it's even sadder in a myriad of ways.

I'm calling it now: gaming will never pass this adolescent time. It will never mature, never attain a degree of respectability akin to books or even films. It will always be close, just in reach, but never able to fully extend to those lengths because it won't be allowed to by those that are to support it fully. It's maybe sad...but this is who our brethren are and there's fair little we can do about it.

Long rant, perhaps better said by someone else already, but I had to say at least this. This sort of thinking as demonstrated is what has put me off of blogging on games that I enjoy.


Two problems with your post/response,

 

1.  You're talking about disks and physical copies.....I'm talking about digital copies. 

There's a sharp distinction here:  With physical copies, you (the owner) are tasked and responsible with taking care of the disks, and to keep said hardware up to date and applicable enough so that you can play said game.  With digital, the task of taking care of your game, to have it ready whenever the buyer gets ready to play it, that falls to the platform holder...in this case SONY, NINTENDO, MS, VALVE, and APPLE.   You are actually putting your trust into these companies that they will be there, and to take care of your games, your personal account info, and to deliver good service enough, so that you don't HAVE TO buy physical.  It's a trust.

Lots of people haven't thought about it in these terms, but there's a Huge difference there.

 

 

 

2. You brought in the term Entitlement, and it bothers me.  It's not entitlement to want all of my online PS3 stuff that I bought to work with my PS4, when every other online platform does it.  The keyword is INDUSTRY STANDARD.   Making sure and wanting my online stuff to work, whether it's through GAIKAI, or emulation, or some dongle dohicky, Is not an entitlement when it's an INDUSTRY STANDARD.



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J_Allard on 23 January 2013

It's not an industry standard though. Only Nintendo has done it so far, with mixed results. Going from the Xbox to the 360, MS did not do it. Not 100% anyway. Some games don't work, some do. Some DLC you bought works, some does not. Moot point now because if I went out today and bought a new copy of Crimson Skies, or Halo 2, or MechAssault, or Full Spectrum Warrior, or Pandora Tomorrow, and tried to get the DLC I already bought last generation, I would be **** out of luck. So of the 3, the only who has done it is Nintendo, and most of their titles are just emulated old games anyway.

You like to bring irrelevant markets like mobile and PC into it, but it's not a given in those markets either. Games I bought on an old phone running an older version of Android don't always work. Games I bought on my PC that worked on Windows 98 or XP, don't work the same on Windows 7. etc etc



ishiki on 23 January 2013

The amount of time most people have to do to go find the old PS2, find cables, hook it up to tv... is how long it takes to fix most old PC games to run.

Personally the more annoying thing about PS3, and online wares not being transferrable is that PS2 games can be played on emulator. The PS3 one is years away. However, I'm not entitled to an emulator, and thats why I don't buy online crap.



JinxRake on 24 January 2013
Persistantthug said:
JinxRake said:
Wow...the sense of entitlement this topic exudes is just...wow. I'm sure that back in the day it was a GREAT big problem that if your brand spanking new Nintendo 64 wouldn't work with NES cartridges...you would have to...GASP...actually install the old console and play it once again. Can anyone here actually IMAGINE something like that?
Most of the games you BOUGHT on the PC a few years back will not run properly on your current architecture. I'm 100% confident that if I go and pull out my all time favorite game from my library, Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver 2, and install it on my Windows XP PC, it won't run it -as it's already happened- and I would have to resort to internet hacks or tips. I cannot take that game to Valve and shove it under their noses and demand they give me an online copy that works with my current PC -or GoG, whoever's selling the thing now-. They would laugh at me. The developers or the publishers that put it out even more so.

It's a sad state of affairs that gamers have become so entitled that they believe they are owed something more than what is written in their EULA. You get what you pay for, the company has no way of predicting now how that software will be compatible with hardware 5 years later on. They have sold you an item for your Playstation 3. If you get tires for your Ford Fiesta and switch over to a Ford Focus later on, Ford would not be obligated to give you the same tires for your new Focus -it's a wide analogy, roll with it-.

At the same time, you have paid for content which you've consumed. It has fulfilled its intended purpose and you have received your money's worth. Restaurants will not give you money back for food you've put in your mouth and chewed. And so on.

I read some stuff on gaming sites that just make me start trusting the gamer stereotype of fat, sad men, locked away in a basement, completely cut off from reality, living in a warped and perverted bubble through which nothing resembling a real world can penetrate.

This thread sounds a few years old really. 2007, 2011, I don't really know exactly which, but somewhere around there. If it's made in a "trolling" fashion...then it's a sad excuse. If it's serious...it's even sadder in a myriad of ways.

I'm calling it now: gaming will never pass this adolescent time. It will never mature, never attain a degree of respectability akin to books or even films. It will always be close, just in reach, but never able to fully extend to those lengths because it won't be allowed to by those that are to support it fully. It's maybe sad...but this is who our brethren are and there's fair little we can do about it.

Long rant, perhaps better said by someone else already, but I had to say at least this. This sort of thinking as demonstrated is what has put me off of blogging on games that I enjoy.


Two problems with your post/response,

 

1.  You're talking about disks and physical copies.....I'm talking about digital copies. 

There's a sharp distinction here:  With physical copies, you (the owner) are tasked and responsible with taking care of the disks, and to keep said hardware up to date and applicable enough so that you can play said game.  With digital, the task of taking care of your game, to have it ready whenever the buyer gets ready to play it, that falls to the platform holder...in this case SONY, NINTENDO, MS, VALVE, and APPLE.   You are actually putting your trust into these companies that they will be there, and to take care of your games, your personal account info, and to deliver good service enough, so that you don't HAVE TO buy physical.  It's a trust.

Lots of people haven't thought about it in these terms, but there's a Huge difference there.

 

 

 

2. You brought in the term Entitlement, and it bothers me.  It's not entitlement to want all of my online PS3 stuff that I bought to work with my PS4, when every other online platform does it.  The keyword is INDUSTRY STANDARD.   Making sure and wanting my online stuff to work, whether it's through GAIKAI, or emulation, or some dongle dohicky, Is not an entitlement when it's an INDUSTRY STANDARD.


I'm sorry, but your point 1 is absolutely senseless. You have been sold a piece of software that is guaranteed to work on a certain listen platform. Neither party signs anything that should say that it will work on all future platforms because they have your licence in their database. I don't even see how you could expect something like that, to me it makes no sense.
I understand where you're coming from, but I believe your expectations are...no unrealistic, but a bit childish.

And yes, I used Entitlement. You ask to be reimbursed after you have consumed the software. Even if you never play it, you have purchased it and could never prove it has not been used. If you talk about trust, it can work the other way around. The publisher is trusting you, the consumer, that you are making an informed decision and have what you need to use the software. If your current machine cannot handle something labeled "PS3" because it is NOT a PS3, then it's your own fault, not the publisher's. You, yourself, do not have the required device for which your piece of software was issued.

So, yes, your behaviour is one that reeks of entitlement. You wish to be serviced only on your own terms, regardless of good or bad business, because you are the consumer and you are all-powerful and all-deserving.

And I hold true to the belief that there is no difference between physical and virtual media. It is an item you bought. You can no more expect a movie shop to reimburse your VHD purchase because you got yourself a DVD player and the cassette isn't compatible, than you would expect an online service to reimburse you because you've decided to change to a new platform for which the software was not designed.



J_Allard on 21 February 2013
Persistantthug said:

I am a huge PS3 fan. You could even label me a PS3 fanboy if you like....that's been fair at times.

But if Sony cannot figure out how to make the stuff we bought out from their store work for the PS4, then I will never buy anything from their online store again.
I don't really care how they get it done....whether through GAIKAI, straight emulation....I've even heard rumors of some dongle'ish attachment thing, and that might be acceptable....maybe.

If Sony can't figure it out, then they've misappropriated consumer trust in their online shit, AGAIN.

And if that's the case, considering how important online has become, and is further becoming in the future, I might as well not even bother with a PS4, because it would be more of Sony Online Incompetence.

Sony better figure it out.....Move Heaven and Earth if need be.....they had better.


PS....A credit refund would also be acceptable.

 

Do you feel the same?  Explain.

 

Hey so Sony has confirmed DLC and PSN games from PS3 will NOT work on PS4. u mad, bro?