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JinxRake on 24 January 2013
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Persistantthug said:
JinxRake said:
Wow...the sense of entitlement this topic exudes is just...wow. I'm sure that back in the day it was a GREAT big problem that if your brand spanking new Nintendo 64 wouldn't work with NES cartridges...you would have to...GASP...actually install the old console and play it once again. Can anyone here actually IMAGINE something like that?
Most of the games you BOUGHT on the PC a few years back will not run properly on your current architecture. I'm 100% confident that if I go and pull out my all time favorite game from my library, Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver 2, and install it on my Windows XP PC, it won't run it -as it's already happened- and I would have to resort to internet hacks or tips. I cannot take that game to Valve and shove it under their noses and demand they give me an online copy that works with my current PC -or GoG, whoever's selling the thing now-. They would laugh at me. The developers or the publishers that put it out even more so.

It's a sad state of affairs that gamers have become so entitled that they believe they are owed something more than what is written in their EULA. You get what you pay for, the company has no way of predicting now how that software will be compatible with hardware 5 years later on. They have sold you an item for your Playstation 3. If you get tires for your Ford Fiesta and switch over to a Ford Focus later on, Ford would not be obligated to give you the same tires for your new Focus -it's a wide analogy, roll with it-.

At the same time, you have paid for content which you've consumed. It has fulfilled its intended purpose and you have received your money's worth. Restaurants will not give you money back for food you've put in your mouth and chewed. And so on.

I read some stuff on gaming sites that just make me start trusting the gamer stereotype of fat, sad men, locked away in a basement, completely cut off from reality, living in a warped and perverted bubble through which nothing resembling a real world can penetrate.

This thread sounds a few years old really. 2007, 2011, I don't really know exactly which, but somewhere around there. If it's made in a "trolling" fashion...then it's a sad excuse. If it's serious...it's even sadder in a myriad of ways.

I'm calling it now: gaming will never pass this adolescent time. It will never mature, never attain a degree of respectability akin to books or even films. It will always be close, just in reach, but never able to fully extend to those lengths because it won't be allowed to by those that are to support it fully. It's maybe sad...but this is who our brethren are and there's fair little we can do about it.

Long rant, perhaps better said by someone else already, but I had to say at least this. This sort of thinking as demonstrated is what has put me off of blogging on games that I enjoy.


Two problems with your post/response,

 

1.  You're talking about disks and physical copies.....I'm talking about digital copies. 

There's a sharp distinction here:  With physical copies, you (the owner) are tasked and responsible with taking care of the disks, and to keep said hardware up to date and applicable enough so that you can play said game.  With digital, the task of taking care of your game, to have it ready whenever the buyer gets ready to play it, that falls to the platform holder...in this case SONY, NINTENDO, MS, VALVE, and APPLE.   You are actually putting your trust into these companies that they will be there, and to take care of your games, your personal account info, and to deliver good service enough, so that you don't HAVE TO buy physical.  It's a trust.

Lots of people haven't thought about it in these terms, but there's a Huge difference there.

 

 

 

2. You brought in the term Entitlement, and it bothers me.  It's not entitlement to want all of my online PS3 stuff that I bought to work with my PS4, when every other online platform does it.  The keyword is INDUSTRY STANDARD.   Making sure and wanting my online stuff to work, whether it's through GAIKAI, or emulation, or some dongle dohicky, Is not an entitlement when it's an INDUSTRY STANDARD.


I'm sorry, but your point 1 is absolutely senseless. You have been sold a piece of software that is guaranteed to work on a certain listen platform. Neither party signs anything that should say that it will work on all future platforms because they have your licence in their database. I don't even see how you could expect something like that, to me it makes no sense.
I understand where you're coming from, but I believe your expectations are...no unrealistic, but a bit childish.

And yes, I used Entitlement. You ask to be reimbursed after you have consumed the software. Even if you never play it, you have purchased it and could never prove it has not been used. If you talk about trust, it can work the other way around. The publisher is trusting you, the consumer, that you are making an informed decision and have what you need to use the software. If your current machine cannot handle something labeled "PS3" because it is NOT a PS3, then it's your own fault, not the publisher's. You, yourself, do not have the required device for which your piece of software was issued.

So, yes, your behaviour is one that reeks of entitlement. You wish to be serviced only on your own terms, regardless of good or bad business, because you are the consumer and you are all-powerful and all-deserving.

And I hold true to the belief that there is no difference between physical and virtual media. It is an item you bought. You can no more expect a movie shop to reimburse your VHD purchase because you got yourself a DVD player and the cassette isn't compatible, than you would expect an online service to reimburse you because you've decided to change to a new platform for which the software was not designed.