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killerzX on 19 January 2013
Mr Khan said:
Heartening to see. I imagine a lot of casual gun owners don't want the worse-than-the-wild-west atmosphere that the gun lobby is pitching. Most people get that (as much as some of us might like them to) the government's not going to come and take your guns away, and the rest is just common sense.


except that ever place the fear mongering liberal gun-grabbers claimed would turn into the wild-west if they allowed more guns, hasn't, in fact, turned into the wild-west. Gun crime, and crime in general has gone down, every single time a city or state relaxes its gun laws. Crime goes down each time a conceal-carry law is put in place. the exact opposite of what people like you claim.

the only places that seem to have any semblance to the wild-west are gun free zones like Chicago.

 

but as usual, facts dont seem to bother or get in the way of hoplophobic gun-grabbers like you. 

 

anyway, the recent executive orders obama implamented, havent really been any tupe of gun control, nor anything that we havent or at least should have been doing anyway. the only issue I have with it, is some privacy issues.



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badgenome on 19 January 2013

"From what you know (fuck all) or have read ('read'... what is this 'read'?) about this, how would you want your representative to vote?"

I wouldn't read much into this, and it doesn't matter anyway as the legislation won't even make an appearance in the Senate let alone the House (unless the Republicans whip it out just to vote against it).



HappySqurriel on 19 January 2013

On a similar note ...

Suppose there was a 24/7 push from the media to blame violent videogames for mass shootings, the government was introducing legislation to ban all "Mature" rated videogames, this ban was being called a ban on "Murder Simulators" by the media, what percentage of people would support this ban if you asked:

Next, as many of you know, yesterday Persident Obama proposed a set of new laws designed to reduce gun violence in the United States. From what you know or have read about this, would you want your representative in congress to vote for or against this proposed new law?

Would you assume positive responses to this were people who thought that Mass Effect was a threat?



Kasz216 on 19 January 2013
HappySqurriel said:

On a similar note ...

Suppose there was a 24/7 push from the media to blame violent videogames for mass shootings, the government was introducing legislation to ban all "Mature" rated videogames, this ban was being called a ban on "Murder Simulators" by the media, what percentage of people would support this ban if you asked:

Next, as many of you know, yesterday Persident Obama proposed a set of new laws designed to reduce gun violence in the United States. From what you know or have read about this, would you want your representative in congress to vote for or against this proposed new law?

Would you assume positive responses to this were people who thought that Mass Effect was a threat?


Well 87% of parents think violent videogames are a problem so.... chances are it'd probaby end up stronger by itself right now.



killerzX on 19 January 2013
Kasz216 said:
HappySqurriel said:

On a similar note ...

Suppose there was a 24/7 push from the media to blame violent videogames for mass shootings, the government was introducing legislation to ban all "Mature" rated videogames, this ban was being called a ban on "Murder Simulators" by the media, what percentage of people would support this ban if you asked:

Next, as many of you know, yesterday Persident Obama proposed a set of new laws designed to reduce gun violence in the United States. From what you know or have read about this, would you want your representative in congress to vote for or against this proposed new law?

Would you assume positive responses to this were people who thought that Mass Effect was a threat?


Well 87% of parents think violent videogames are a problem so.... chances are it'd probaby end up stronger by itself right now.

but again its largely do to ignorance. most of them probably think a 10 year old child can walk into a store and buy a game like GTA. 
I agree that video games can be a problem, but thats why there is a rating system (which parents seem to be ignorant of), little kids shouldnt be playing violent video games, just as little kids shouldnt own, or use without supervision firearms.



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GameOver22 on 19 January 2013
Soleron said:
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/10/which-polls-fared-best-and-worst-in-the-2012-presidential-race/

Of the 23 polling firms who published 5 polls before the presidential election, Gallup was 7.2 percentage points wrong. The next worst firm was 4.5, then 3.7, then all the rest were within 3.

Of course this may not apply to this poll, but any polling firm that is 7.2 points predicting the wrong winner when everyone else was very close and polls in general were very accurate has a serious political agenda problem.

Considering Gallup underestimated Obama's winning margin, I doubt this is a result of any political agenda....if so, they are inconsistent, as election results would mean Gallup is pro-Rep while the gun-control poll would be pro-Dem. Now, I think Gallup needs to look at their survey methodology, particularly in terms of how they determine likely-voters, but I hardly think one erroneous election season is enough to discredit their work.....they've been doing polls since the 1930s and provide much more data than election predictions.



ishiki on 19 January 2013

I don't support either side. (as in NRA, Democrats and republicans, they're all extremely hypocritical or at best misguided).

All these plans are too black and white, and they'll end up bickering and passing a half-assed law.



HappySqurriel on 19 January 2013
GameOver22 said:
Soleron said:
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/10/which-polls-fared-best-and-worst-in-the-2012-presidential-race/

Of the 23 polling firms who published 5 polls before the presidential election, Gallup was 7.2 percentage points wrong. The next worst firm was 4.5, then 3.7, then all the rest were within 3.

Of course this may not apply to this poll, but any polling firm that is 7.2 points predicting the wrong winner when everyone else was very close and polls in general were very accurate has a serious political agenda problem.

Considering Gallup underestimated Obama's winning margin, I doubt this is a result of any political agenda....if so, they are inconsistent, as election results would mean Gallup is pro-Rep while the gun-control poll would be pro-Dem. Now, I think Gallup needs to look at their survey methodology, particularly in terms of how they determine likely-voters, but I hardly think one erroneous election season is enough to discredit their work.....they've been doing polls since the 1930s and provide much more data than election predictions.


Just as a question ...

Wouldn't predicting a closer election race by boosting Republican numbers increase voter turn out for the Democrats?



Mr Khan on 19 January 2013
HappySqurriel said:
GameOver22 said:
Soleron said:
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/10/which-polls-fared-best-and-worst-in-the-2012-presidential-race/

Of the 23 polling firms who published 5 polls before the presidential election, Gallup was 7.2 percentage points wrong. The next worst firm was 4.5, then 3.7, then all the rest were within 3.

Of course this may not apply to this poll, but any polling firm that is 7.2 points predicting the wrong winner when everyone else was very close and polls in general were very accurate has a serious political agenda problem.

Considering Gallup underestimated Obama's winning margin, I doubt this is a result of any political agenda....if so, they are inconsistent, as election results would mean Gallup is pro-Rep while the gun-control poll would be pro-Dem. Now, I think Gallup needs to look at their survey methodology, particularly in terms of how they determine likely-voters, but I hardly think one erroneous election season is enough to discredit their work.....they've been doing polls since the 1930s and provide much more data than election predictions.


Just as a question ...

Wouldn't predicting a closer election race by boosting Republican numbers increase voter turn out for the Democrats?

What is your deal with the social sciences? Seriously.



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killerzX on 19 January 2013
Mr Khan said:
HappySqurriel said:
GameOver22 said:
Soleron said:
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/10/which-polls-fared-best-and-worst-in-the-2012-presidential-race/

Of the 23 polling firms who published 5 polls before the presidential election, Gallup was 7.2 percentage points wrong. The next worst firm was 4.5, then 3.7, then all the rest were within 3.

Of course this may not apply to this poll, but any polling firm that is 7.2 points predicting the wrong winner when everyone else was very close and polls in general were very accurate has a serious political agenda problem.

Considering Gallup underestimated Obama's winning margin, I doubt this is a result of any political agenda....if so, they are inconsistent, as election results would mean Gallup is pro-Rep while the gun-control poll would be pro-Dem. Now, I think Gallup needs to look at their survey methodology, particularly in terms of how they determine likely-voters, but I hardly think one erroneous election season is enough to discredit their work.....they've been doing polls since the 1930s and provide much more data than election predictions.


Just as a question ...

Wouldn't predicting a closer election race by boosting Republican numbers increase voter turn out for the Democrats?

What is your deal with the social sciences? Seriously.

what's your deal with criminology? seriously.

 

you ignore it every time you post your anti-constitution, anti-gun rants