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The pentagon thing was made up, thats not debatable



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dsgrue3 said:
Figlioni said:
I rely on experts in you tube videos, just like you rely on c/p'ing some truthers imagined physics.

There's plenty of airplane debris all over the lawn. There's plenty of plane debris inside the Pentagon. The majority of the plane's exterior is made from aluminum, which melts at 1200 degrees. The fires at the Pentagon reached 1800 degrees. But you keep looking for those wings, big guy.

And we have a winner here ladies and gentleman. Plenty of debris but no wings, which should be intact as a rigid body does not just fold neatly into itself lmfao.

The plane disintegrated and burned, but all of the bodies were found? You make absolutely no sense whatsoever. I hope you realize that. 

You keep hanging onto the 'Where's the wings?' question when all the evidence completely contradicts you. All the bodies were found? Wha...? The plane disintegrated and burned? Any more strawmen?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8B-AvIt6V4&list=UUdNkRyt3S0oTQQdzlKJtXyg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8v8ai2-S0Q&list=UUdNkRyt3S0oTQQdzlKJtXyg

After watching these videos, make sure you ask where the wings went, okay?



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Here's more:

http://911myths.com/index.php/American_Airlines_Flight_77



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Figlioni said:

Flight 77 DID hit the Pentagon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1wQ2BJsgx0&list=UUdNkRyt3S0oTQQdzlKJtXyg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=989BqQ0WF2A&list=UUdNkRyt3S0oTQQdzlKJtXyg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTNRkb7AaQk&list=UUdNkRyt3S0oTQQdzlKJtXyg

THank you for someone finally providing actual info regarding the one item I brought up. While the videos were good, the best thing was a link I found from the videos and their description that shows a lot of images, including some dead people.

Those images finally gave a clear understanding of how a 757 hit that building.

With that, I'm good. It really was the only straight out thing I couldn't simply walk away from. With that, I can see this as not being a conspiracy to me anymore.



This is an excellent one about the Twin Towers and thier collapse...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSQYOq71io8&list=UUdNkRyt3S0oTQQdzlKJtXyg



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superchunk said:
Figlioni said:

Flight 77 DID hit the Pentagon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1wQ2BJsgx0&list=UUdNkRyt3S0oTQQdzlKJtXyg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=989BqQ0WF2A&list=UUdNkRyt3S0oTQQdzlKJtXyg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTNRkb7AaQk&list=UUdNkRyt3S0oTQQdzlKJtXyg

THank you for someone finally providing actual info regarding the one item I brought up. While the videos were good, the best thing was a link I found from the videos and their description that shows a lot of images, including some dead people.

Those images finally gave a clear understanding of how a 757 hit that building.

With that, I'm good. It really was the only straight out thing I couldn't simply walk away from. With that, I can see this as not being a conspiracy to me anymore.

You're welcome. I'm glad I was actually able to help you understand.



"Success really is decided at birth, and your life will never be better than it is right now. Sorry about that."

Figlioni said:
dsgrue3 said:
Figlioni said:
I rely on experts in you tube videos, just like you rely on c/p'ing some truthers imagined physics.

There's plenty of airplane debris all over the lawn. There's plenty of plane debris inside the Pentagon. The majority of the plane's exterior is made from aluminum, which melts at 1200 degrees. The fires at the Pentagon reached 1800 degrees. But you keep looking for those wings, big guy.

And we have a winner here ladies and gentleman. Plenty of debris but no wings, which should be intact as a rigid body does not just fold neatly into itself lmfao.

The plane disintegrated and burned, but all of the bodies were found? You make absolutely no sense whatsoever. I hope you realize that. 

You keep hanging onto the 'Where's the wings?' question when all the evidence completely contradicts you. All the bodies were found? Wha...? The plane disintegrated and burned? Any more strawmen?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8B-AvIt6V4&list=UUdNkRyt3S0oTQQdzlKJtXyg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8v8ai2-S0Q&list=UUdNkRyt3S0oTQQdzlKJtXyg

After watching these videos, make sure you ask where the wings went, okay?

This is the second time you have posted something not pertaining to my argument. That source claims the wings impacted the Pentagon - photos debunk this notion. Physics debunks this notion. Maybe instead of using some random youtube video and touting is as "expert" opinion (LMFAO) do some ACTUAL research, but you don't quite seem capable of attempting to objectively analyze a particular dataset or find credible sources, so I'll leave you with this gem.

Facts:

All but 1 victim of flight 77 were identified by DNA. How is this even remotely possible if DNA is destroyed at much lesser temperatures than even you cited?

Wings do not fold into a plane body when impacting an object; hell the towers themselves completely debunk this.

The black box data was not ever released to the public. (wonder why?)

No proof that Flight 77 was the plane that impacted the pentagon (assuming one did). In fact, Flight 77 could not have possible impacted the Pentagon at all.

"NTSB flight data indicates Flight 77 never dropped below 273 feet! Therefore, Flight 77 could not have crashed into the Pentagon, only 71 feet tall." 

Feel free to keep denying what is right in front of you, I can't be bothered to care what someone believes who is so opposed to research and thinks youtube videos are the works of "experts". lmfao.



dsgrue3 said:
Figlioni said:
dsgrue3 said:
Figlioni said:
I rely on experts in you tube videos, just like you rely on c/p'ing some truthers imagined physics.

There's plenty of airplane debris all over the lawn. There's plenty of plane debris inside the Pentagon. The majority of the plane's exterior is made from aluminum, which melts at 1200 degrees. The fires at the Pentagon reached 1800 degrees. But you keep looking for those wings, big guy.

And we have a winner here ladies and gentleman. Plenty of debris but no wings, which should be intact as a rigid body does not just fold neatly into itself lmfao.

The plane disintegrated and burned, but all of the bodies were found? You make absolutely no sense whatsoever. I hope you realize that. 

You keep hanging onto the 'Where's the wings?' question when all the evidence completely contradicts you. All the bodies were found? Wha...? The plane disintegrated and burned? Any more strawmen?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8B-AvIt6V4&list=UUdNkRyt3S0oTQQdzlKJtXyg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8v8ai2-S0Q&list=UUdNkRyt3S0oTQQdzlKJtXyg

After watching these videos, make sure you ask where the wings went, okay?

This is the second time you have posted something not pertaining to my argument. That source claims the wings impacted the Pentagon - photos debunk this notion. Physics debunks this notion. Maybe instead of using some random youtube video and touting is as "expert" opinion (LMFAO) do some ACTUAL research, but you don't quite seem capable of attempting to objectively analyze a particular dataset or find credible sources, so I'll leave you with this gem.

I saw pretty clear evidence of impact beyond the 'hole' in the side of the building clearly lining up with where wings would be. The pentagon is reinforced much better than the towers, so it's very probable the wings were not strong enogh to penetrate the structure and were obliterated instead. In addition, the wings contact with multiple light poles, a large generator, and a ground structure (all of which have photographic evidence), would weaken the wing structure significantly, so the wings would theoretically not do as much damage as in the case of the towers (especially when combined with the fact this is a more reinforced structure). The scenarios are different enough to eliminate the feasibility of direct comparison between structures. A cruise missile would never come in at such a low angle or make such contact with other objects/structures.

Facts:

All but 1 victim of flight 77 were identified by DNA. How is this even remotely possible if DNA is destroyed at much lesser temperatures than even you cited?

It's possible that portions of bodies (the interior of a bone for example) were either not in direct contact with the fire, or were well protected enough to not burn up every bit of DNA, though I don't have a 100% answer on this one. You only need a very, very tiny sample to survive in order to get results. Also, the hottest part of the fire may have been at that temperature, but that does not mean every area where human remains landed also reached that temperature.

Wings do not fold into a plane body when impacting an object; hell the towers themselves completely debunk this.

Again, completely different type of structure for one. There is evidence of IMPACT from the wings, but they have significantly lower kinetic energy and strength than the body of the plane oriented the way it was. We can't directly compare very different types of structures with very different exteriors. The wings impacted the stronger structure and were destroyed without having the kinetic energy to penetrate, while the greater mass/kinetic energy of the plane's body allowed it to penetrate the structure.

The black box data was not ever released to the public. (wonder why?)

Maybe it was destroyed and the data not readable?

No proof that Flight 77 was the plane that impacted the pentagon (assuming one did). In fact, Flight 77 could not have possible impacted the Pentagon at all.

This is too generalized to debate.

"NTSB flight data indicates Flight 77 never dropped below 273 feet! Therefore, Flight 77 could not have crashed into the Pentagon, only 71 feet tall." 

This is based on radar tracking, which is limited near ground level in many areas by obstructions and topography between the radar site and the airplane's location. My understanding is that it dropped below 273 feet and disappeared off the radar (which means it went below radar range for that specific area), hence it was not able to be tracked below that point.

Feel free to keep denying what is right in front of you, I can't be bothered to care what someone believes who is so opposed to research and thinks youtube videos are the works of "experts". lmfao.


My input in BOLD above...

The pentagon is a different type of structure, and it was well known that section had been renovated. Very different scenario impacting a heavily reinforced military structure vs. a standard skyscraper full of standard glass and open office space, so your comparisons to the towers have no basis.

"It was the only area of the Pentagon with a sprinkler system, and it had been reconstructed with a web of steel columns and bars to withstand bomb blasts. The steel reinforcement, bolted together to form a continuous structure through all of the Pentagon's five floors, kept that section of the building from collapsing for 30 minutes—enough time for hundreds of people to crawl out to safety. The area struck by the plane also had blast-resistant windows—2 inches thick and 2,500 pounds each—that stayed intact during the crash and fire. It had fire doors that opened automatically and newly built exits that allowed people to get out.[40]"

 



spurgeonryan said:
Yes.

Did we all not see the Michael Moore movie? Some was true.


Aw, come on.  You can't seriously be basing your opinions about 9/11 on a Michael Moore film.  That's just ridiculous.  It was written, filmed, and edited for the sole purpose of Michael Moore saying whatever he wanted to say, nothing more.



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There is nothing, and I mean nothing, that kills a debate faster when one has to resort to 'lmfao'.

Repeating half lies and outright lies from truthers does not make them facts.



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