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zero129 said:
sales2099 said:
zero129 said:
 

But they didnt get away with it, They lost 1000's of inocent people too, so how did they get away with it??.

What would make you happy? to just blow all muslims to hell??

Cos of a false flag operation set up by the us government??.

If not a False Flag the US Government sure as hell knew about it before it happened and to me thats just as bad.

Or are you trying to tell me they knew nothing about this attack??.

Yes the US military retaliated, as they should have. But to say the terrorists weren't the cause, that dishonors the lives lost. Simple as that.

Most likely they knew a attack was coming, but theres always tons of factors such as the delievery method, time, day, etc. Nobody could predict exactly when and where it would happen and it would be foolish to close all airports on a hunch with no hard evidence. 

In short, they were caught with their guard down and by surprise. And they (this is my personal theory) make up this conspiracy theory that people swear by to make the people still believe that the US is still a all-powerful super power that totally just didn't get caught with its pants down.

The pro is that people still feel safe because they think the US did it to themselves and their national security is still top notch. The con is that the gullible turn a blind eye to middle east aggression against western nations via terrorism.

OMG so your denying a conspiracy that has lots of stuff to back it up with a denying a conspiracy thory that has nothing to back it up...

It does dishonor the lives lost trust me it does.

The stuff to back it up is arguably created by the US to fuel said theory. In the end, it was terrorists. Simple. To deny that is to support them. K im outie.



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zero129 said:
Figlioni said:
SxyxS said:
100% inside job.
The official version is so stupid and is violating all existing physical laws that I started to improve my english(no english=no research)just because of that.


If you want to have an expert analysis ,watch on youtube"architects and engineers".this is a group of almost 2000 experts(real experts,no conspiracy theorists)
They don't speculate who has orchastrated 911,they will just explain you that the official version is absolutely impossible and that the official investigation report is a peace of sh!t with absolutely no answers.

If you want to go deeper into it,than do some research about building 7.(even if you are a completely idiot you will never ever believe the official version after you did the research)
Most people even don't know that this building has collapsed on 911,and the mainstreammedia won't tell.
(the same media that is trying to tell you that games make people violent,but is ignoring the fact that all the violence on tv may be the reason,because they are those who are making tv)
The really interssting thing about building 7.The collaps of the building was reported 15 minutes BEFORE the building collapsed.You can watch on youtube the female news speaker speaking about the collaps,while in the back you can see the NY skyline and building 7 )

The owner of building 7(larry silversteen) even admitted on tv that he gave the order to" pull it down"

Barry Jennings was inside building 7 before it collapsed,listen what he is saying(youtube)



Another thing:it was absolutely impossible for the plane to hit the pentagon.
To reach the pentagon,you must pass 3 high security territories(military base dc,white house,pentagon) and it is impossible just to reach one of them without being shot down with misdiles,if you don't have the code .

If you take a look at the holes that the planes made at the Wtc buildings after the impact,you will realize that they are slightly bigger than the planes(thats pretty usual)
those planes have cut 10inch massive steel without any problems.
Now take a look at the pentagon,the hole is far smaller than the plane that hit the pentagon,and the pentagon walls are not made of steel.that's 100% impossible.
Whats even more interessting.Short time after the impact several FBI agents conficated all Videocamrecordings around the pentagon.(almost 90,and they never ever appeared again)The same US government that has ignored 4 huge planes for almost an hour without doing a thing knew exactly where all private monitoring cameras outside the pentagon were positioned and confiscated them in a very short period.

A few weeks before 911 it was impossible for a planes to enter US airspace illegally without being shot down by NORAD within minutes.Than G W Bush changed this law making it impossible for Norad to shoot down planes without permission of him,rumsfeld and another guy.All three persons refused to give order to Norad that day.
This law removed one day after 911.

Your government is pushing a perpetual war since 1950,and is using lies to start them and will always find a reason.
Vietnam-lie-4 million killed
iraq-lie-1 million killed

and you believe that they won't kill the own people to create a reason to make war?lol-
never heard of operation 40?
watch on youtube:wesley clark on youtube.7 countries in 5 years.
he has predicted in 2007 what will happen in Arab countries ,and it either has happened until now or is happening .
right now.

and if you think the media will tell you the truth?
they only tell you what they are allowed.Nothing about the bilderbergers,nothing about bohemian grove,
nothing about uss liberty.

Horrible, horrible misinformation....

 

Silverstein's 'Pull it' Explained

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43F54hR0NW8&list=UUdNkRyt3S0oTQQdzlKJtXyg&index=8

 

WTC 7 Explained:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kSq663m0G8&list=UUdNkRyt3S0oTQQdzlKJtXyg&index=43

Dude you keep posting videos with a user that wont even except comments on his page.. What does that tell you??.

He used to alow comments, but the idiocy of those comments lead him to shutting it down. Point being, you can't argue his points. Not one. This guy has done his research and debunks every single claim by you truthers. You guys are a sick joke. 3000 people lost their lives and you guys try and pretend its some kind of game. It's quite disgusting, actually.



"Success really is decided at birth, and your life will never be better than it is right now. Sorry about that."

Are you kidding me? This guy doesn't cheery pick his topics, he purposely debunks every point made by you truthers. And what's funny is the fact that you think there are 'fake' truthers and 'real' truthers.

The 'Pull it' by Silverstein, the news reporting that WTC 7 collapsed before it did, this is all the same moronic truther stuff. Think about it. This super secret false flag operation, and the US government called the BBC and told them they were gonna destroy WTC 7. On no level does that make any sense. Also, you're comparing the holes from the planes in the WTC to the one's in the Pentagon? How ridiculous. It hurts my mind that someone can be as naive as you.



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Figlioni said:
Are you kidding me? This guy doesn't cheery pick his topics, he purposely debunks every point made by you truthers. And what's funny is the fact that you think there are 'fake' truthers and 'real' truthers.

The 'Pull it' by Silverstein, the news reporting that WTC 7 collapsed before it did, this is all the same moronic truther stuff. Think about it. This super secret false flag operation, and the US government called the BBC and told them they were gonna destroy WTC 7. On no level does that make any sense. Also, you're comparing the holes from the planes in the WTC to the one's in the Pentagon? How ridiculous. It hurts my mind that someone can be as naive as you.

I think the evidence is there for the towers beyond any reasonable doubt. Not such a case for the Pentagon:

Here are the possibilities:

1. Could the damaged wings have been carted off by cleanup crews?

The cleanup of the site did not begin until well after the morning hours of the day in question.

2. Could the damaged wings have “telescoped” into the body of the aircraft, as claimed by the Dept. of Defence?

This claim was clearly meant for reporters, whose technical competence, as a general rule, would be unequal to the task of evaluating such a statement. There would have been no significant lateral force acting along either wing axis and there is no possibility of a wing actually entering the fuselage of the aircraft. If you fixed a Boeing 757 firmly to a given piece of ground, then used a team of bulldozers to push the wings into the body, the wings would merely fold up like an accordion or crumple and bend.

3. Could the wings have been entirely fragmented by the explosion of the fuel tanks after the aircraft struck the building?

The fuel tanks of a 757 are located under the fuselage, as well as in the wing roots. The entire fuel storage area of a 757 would easily fit inside the initial entry hole and, consequently, any explosion would have been largely confined to the building’s interior. As we shall see, the wings could not have entered the building, where they might possibly have encountered such a fate. The blast, as such, had little effect outside the building, as cable spools near the entry hole remained standing, for example.

4. This raises the question of whether the wings could have folded as the aircraft entered the building, bending backwards and following the aircraft in.

Except for fuel tanks, wiring and hydraulics, spars and ribs, wings are otherwise hollow. The spars could be described as locally rigid and globally flexible. In other words, a wing may flex (up and down) along its length when an aircraft encounters turbulence, for example, but, over much shorter distances, cannot bend significantly. Given sufficient force (applied either up or down) against a wing, it will simply break off. Sometimes the wings of older aircraft developed cracked spars. Even hairline cracks can be dangerous, as the slightest shearing force on the wing could widen and deepen the crack, causing catastrophic failure and the loss of a wing.

Of course, the force in question would not have been vertical, but horizontal. This makes the folding even more improbable, as the force of impact would be acting along the only possible fold axis, rather than at right angles to it. Try folding any material, say a piece of cardboard, by applying it’s edge (not it’s surface) to a tabletop. Folding horizontally is not an option, since all the spars would be lined up in opposing (momentarily) the folding force. Being locally rigid, the spars would simply snap within milliseconds of the impact against a support column that did not yield to their impact; they would fail as soon as the force of impact exceeded the elastic limit of the material. If they did not fail and if the support columns did not give way, the only remaining possibility would be for the aircraft to remain almost entirely outside of the Pentagon.

Your move, sir.



dsgrue3 said:
Figlioni said:
Are you kidding me? This guy doesn't cheery pick his topics, he purposely debunks every point made by you truthers. And what's funny is the fact that you think there are 'fake' truthers and 'real' truthers.

The 'Pull it' by Silverstein, the news reporting that WTC 7 collapsed before it did, this is all the same moronic truther stuff. Think about it. This super secret false flag operation, and the US government called the BBC and told them they were gonna destroy WTC 7. On no level does that make any sense. Also, you're comparing the holes from the planes in the WTC to the one's in the Pentagon? How ridiculous. It hurts my mind that someone can be as naive as you.

I think the evidence is there for the towers beyond any reasonable doubt. Not such a case for the Pentagon:

 

Here are the possibilities:

1. Could the damaged wings have been carted off by cleanup crews?

The cleanup of the site did not begin until well after the morning hours of the day in question.

2. Could the damaged wings have “telescoped” into the body of the aircraft, as claimed by the Dept. of Defence?

This claim was clearly meant for reporters, whose technical competence, as a general rule, would be unequal to the task of evaluating such a statement. There would have been no significant lateral force acting along either wing axis and there is no possibility of a wing actually entering the fuselage of the aircraft. If you fixed a Boeing 757 firmly to a given piece of ground, then used a team of bulldozers to push the wings into the body, the wings would merely fold up like an accordion or crumple and bend.

3. Could the wings have been entirely fragmented by the explosion of the fuel tanks after the aircraft struck the building?

The fuel tanks of a 757 are located under the fuselage, as well as in the wing roots. The entire fuel storage area of a 757 would easily fit inside the initial entry hole and, consequently, any explosion would have been largely confined to the building’s interior. As we shall see, the wings could not have entered the building, where they might possibly have encountered such a fate. The blast, as such, had little effect outside the building, as cable spools near the entry hole remained standing, for example.

4. This raises the question of whether the wings could have folded as the aircraft entered the building, bending backwards and following the aircraft in.

Except for fuel tanks, wiring and hydraulics, spars and ribs, wings are otherwise hollow. The spars could be described as locally rigid and globally flexible. In other words, a wing may flex (up and down) along its length when an aircraft encounters turbulence, for example, but, over much shorter distances, cannot bend significantly. Given sufficient force (applied either up or down) against a wing, it will simply break off. Sometimes the wings of older aircraft developed cracked spars. Even hairline cracks can be dangerous, as the slightest shearing force on the wing could widen and deepen the crack, causing catastrophic failure and the loss of a wing.

Of course, the force in question would not have been vertical, but horizontal. This makes the folding even more improbable, as the force of impact would be acting along the only possible fold axis, rather than at right angles to it. Try folding any material, say a piece of cardboard, by applying it’s edge (not it’s surface) to a tabletop. Folding horizontally is not an option, since all the spars would be lined up in opposing (momentarily) the folding force. Being locally rigid, the spars would simply snap within milliseconds of the impact against a support column that did not yield to their impact; they would fail as soon as the force of impact exceeded the elastic limit of the material. If they did not fail and if the support columns did not give way, the only remaining possibility would be for the aircraft to remain almost entirely outside of the Pentagon.

Your move, sir.

 

Here you go:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVDdjLQkUV8

Enjoy!



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omg so many people in this thread give me a headache and i have no idea which ones are even being serious or just trolling.
some of the supposed facts, that people are posting to support their theories, arent even real. do i just assume these people are trolls?
if its real, i wish some people would just casually looking into some of the things they are saying rather than just parroting what they have heard on some conspiracy site.

the last time we had a thread like this some people were posting "photo evidence" that actually contradicted the claims they were making and still refused to acknowledge it, just continuing on in circular nonsensical thoughts.
i think i will sit this thread out, but please...actually look into some of the claims you people are making.  continue your questions and dont just assume what youve been told is true while criticising others for the same.



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Figlioni said:

Here you go:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVDdjLQkUV8

Enjoy!

Your source didn't even pertain to any of my points. Do you even read before you post something so obsolete? lmfao. No wonder you can't provide a cogent argument on your own, merely instead rely on youtube videos haha very credible. We're done here.



So if the US government did it then why did AQ take full responsibility and openly brag about it?



dsgrue3 said:
Figlioni said:

Here you go:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVDdjLQkUV8

Enjoy!

Your source didn't even pertain to any of my points. Do you even read before you post something so obsolete? lmfao. No wonder you can't provide a cogent argument on your own, merely instead rely on youtube videos haha very credible. We're done here.

I rely on experts in you tube videos, just like you rely on c/p'ing some truthers imagined physics.

There's plenty of airplane debris all over the lawn. There's plenty of plane debris inside the Pentagon. The majority of the plane's exterior is made from aluminum, which melts at 1200 degrees. The fires at the Pentagon reached 1800 degrees. But you keep looking for those wings, big guy.



"Success really is decided at birth, and your life will never be better than it is right now. Sorry about that."

Figlioni said:
I rely on experts in you tube videos, just like you rely on c/p'ing some truthers imagined physics.

There's plenty of airplane debris all over the lawn. There's plenty of plane debris inside the Pentagon. The majority of the plane's exterior is made from aluminum, which melts at 1200 degrees. The fires at the Pentagon reached 1800 degrees. But you keep looking for those wings, big guy.

And we have a winner here ladies and gentleman. Plenty of debris but no wings, which should be intact as a rigid body does not just fold neatly into itself lmfao.

The plane disintegrated and burned, but all of the bodies were found? You make absolutely no sense whatsoever. I hope you realize that.