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Pemalite on 17 January 2013

Personally, I'm amazed how much "attention" 9/11 gets when the amount of people that died in the incident was relatively trivial compared to other causes.

For example there are about 30,000 firearm-related deaths per year in the USA.
Motor vehicle related deaths account for about 32,000 a year.
On average 10 people per day die from drowning. (Or about 40,000 people since September 11th.)

And yet, all of these have a much much much much higher death toll and receive little/no attention, go figure.

I'm not saying those that perished shouldn't be remembered and respected, but I do think priorities should be changed around and re-focused on other things to save more lives.




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Yakuzaice on 17 January 2013
chris_wing said:

-Thermite residue and unburned particals were found in the rubble of the WTC along with pools of moltan steel deep in the rubble that recorded temperatures higher then that at which jet fuel can burn.  This was recorded by a thermal camera in a fly over days or weeks after the attack.  The sound of "explosions" could be credited to almost anything that was happening in the building or objects falling outside of the building.  The loud bangs and thermite don't need to be lumped together like that.

-The rate of gravity fall is BS, it originated in the first Loose Change movie, you can clearly see that they clock the debris falling outside the main structure & not the structure itself.  I'll give you that one as BS.

-The missile theory at the Pentagon is one that I also take issue with, although the perfectly round punctures into the innear rings of the Pentagon is the ear mark of a missile.  I & many others don't suggest it was a missile, but until the Government releases the video from the gas station we really won't know.

-I guess you haven't been reading my posts, I've been saying that the most likely scenerio is that they simply allowed it to happen by deverting NORAD to massive training exercise on the morning of 9/11 that moved fighter jets out of range & confused the pilots with fake reports from the exercise that they couldn't decipher fast enough from real world happenings.

-It would not require thousands of people to carry off.  It would take a dozen of the top military & government leaders in a room pulling strings & issuing orders to make the pieces fall into place.

-"Why didn't the Bush administration just plant some WMD's in Iraq if they were so competent?" Why did they say they had concrete proof in the first place?  It's easier to tell a lie then produce evidence.  If they attempted to plant WMD's in Iraq they would face a greater chance of being expossed then if they just find nothing.  At that point they already had what they wanted.

Why are you talking about thermite if the most likely scenario is they let it happen?  You can't really play both of those sides here.  Either you think the government perpetrated 9/11 or merely let it happen.  They aren't anywhere close to the same thing.  This goes back to the size of the conspiracy.  Sure if they let it happen, then only a few high ranking people might be complicit in it.  However, judging from your posts you seem to think the WTC 1, 2, and 7 were brought down by controlled demolition.  How would that be done with just a few military and government leaders.  Was Dick Cheney spending his nights at the North Tower prepping it for demolition?  Those would be massive jobs requiring huge numbers of workers.  Not to mention, what's the point.  If you're already going to run planes into them, all you're doing is making your conspiracy far far larger.

I don't know how they are more likely to be exposed in Iraq.  The chaos of a warzone in addition to the fact that there is far less media and civilian oversight seems like it would be much easier to fake something.  Not to mention being exposed planting weapons is probably vastly preferable to being exposed murdering thousands of American civilians.



chris_wing on 17 January 2013
PDF said:
I don't believe it was an inside job because nothing that happened afterward lends any real credibility to it being an inside job. Why would we want to go to Afghanistan? If it was an inside job, surely we would have chose another country to use.

If it was an inside job George Bush would not have been reading a book to children when his master plan was happening. He definitely would not have let his fall guy Osama get away. None of it makes sense if it was an inside job. People give Bush administration way to much credit claiming it was conspiracy.


Oh man, do I need to repost everything I've been saying for every new person who posts with out reading the thread?  I guess not, read the thread bro.

Nothing happened after, except two wars, more permanent bases through out the Middle East & Asia, a pupet government in Iraq, the stripping of rights, the Patriot Act & I could do on & on.

It wasn't Bush's master plan you n**d, if you think Bush was anything more then a puppet distracting people with his stupidity while Cheney & his group conducted operations then you're just wrong.

If they got Osama right away then it would be kind of hard to continue the War & start another if Americas blood lust had been appeased that early.

You seem to be making a lot of assumptions, give us a little credit.



BenVTrigger on 17 January 2013
chris_wing said:
PDF said:
I don't believe it was an inside job because nothing that happened afterward lends any real credibility to it being an inside job. Why would we want to go to Afghanistan? If it was an inside job, surely we would have chose another country to use.

If it was an inside job George Bush would not have been reading a book to children when his master plan was happening. He definitely would not have let his fall guy Osama get away. None of it makes sense if it was an inside job. People give Bush administration way to much credit claiming it was conspiracy.


Oh man, do I need to repost everything I've been saying for every new person who posts with out reading the thread?  I guess not, read the thread bro.

Nothing happened after, except two wars, more permanent bases through out the Middle East & Asia, a pupet government in Iraq, the stripping of rights, the Patriot Act & I could do on & on.

It wasn't Bush's master plan you n**d, if you think Bush was anything more then a puppet distracting people with his stupidity while Cheney & his group conducted operations then you're just wrong.

If they got Osama right away then it would be kind of hard to continue the War & start another if Americas blood lust had been appeased that early.

You seem to be making a lot of assumptions, give us a little credit.

While I wont comment on which side I believe, I find the fact that you think Cheney is some evil mastermind who used the President of the country as a puppet is beyond far fetched.......



snyps on 17 January 2013
PDF said:
I don't believe it was an inside job because nothing that happened afterward lends any real credibility to it being an inside job. Why would we want to go to Afghanistan? If it was an inside job, surely we would have chose another country to use.

If it was an inside job George Bush would not have been reading a book to children when his master plan was happening. He definitely would not have let his fall guy Osama get away. None of it makes sense if it was an inside job. People give Bush administration way to much credit claiming it was conspiracy.


that;s reasonable.  We went to afganistan:

to build a pipeline through it. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/1984459.stm

to open the opium trade. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1840182.stm

creation of a nationless enemy for pupetual war (profit).  http://www.beyondintractability.org/bi-essay/dehumanization

strategic geographical base of operation http://www.mediamonitors.net/ahamin2.html

 

 

it wasn't bush who did it. this isn't partisan.  both parties have blood on their hands.  it's the worlds ruling families in charge of the world trade organization, the international monetary fund, and world bank.  And osama got away because it was important to keep up support for war.. this war was meant to be perpetual.



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snyps on 17 January 2013
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nevermind I'm going to wait for the OP to say something.  I'm done.  In the empire of lies, truth is treason and ignorance of duality is king.



chris_wing on 17 January 2013
Yakuzaice said:
chris_wing said:

-Thermite residue and unburned particals were found in the rubble of the WTC along with pools of moltan steel deep in the rubble that recorded temperatures higher then that at which jet fuel can burn.  This was recorded by a thermal camera in a fly over days or weeks after the attack.  The sound of "explosions" could be credited to almost anything that was happening in the building or objects falling outside of the building.  The loud bangs and thermite don't need to be lumped together like that.

-The rate of gravity fall is BS, it originated in the first Loose Change movie, you can clearly see that they clock the debris falling outside the main structure & not the structure itself.  I'll give you that one as BS.

-The missile theory at the Pentagon is one that I also take issue with, although the perfectly round punctures into the innear rings of the Pentagon is the ear mark of a missile.  I & many others don't suggest it was a missile, but until the Government releases the video from the gas station we really won't know.

-I guess you haven't been reading my posts, I've been saying that the most likely scenerio is that they simply allowed it to happen by deverting NORAD to massive training exercise on the morning of 9/11 that moved fighter jets out of range & confused the pilots with fake reports from the exercise that they couldn't decipher fast enough from real world happenings.

-It would not require thousands of people to carry off.  It would take a dozen of the top military & government leaders in a room pulling strings & issuing orders to make the pieces fall into place.

-"Why didn't the Bush administration just plant some WMD's in Iraq if they were so competent?" Why did they say they had concrete proof in the first place?  It's easier to tell a lie then produce evidence.  If they attempted to plant WMD's in Iraq they would face a greater chance of being expossed then if they just find nothing.  At that point they already had what they wanted.

Why are you talking about thermite if the most likely scenario is they let it happen?  You can't really play both of those sides here.  Either you think the government perpetrated 9/11 or merely let it happen.  They aren't anywhere close to the same thing.  This goes back to the size of the conspiracy.  Sure if they let it happen, then only a few high ranking people might be complicit in it.  However, judging from your posts you seem to think the WTC 1, 2, and 7 were brought down by controlled demolition.  How would that be done with just a few military and government leaders.  Was Dick Cheney spending his nights at the North Tower prepping it for demolition?  Those would be massive jobs requiring huge numbers of workers.  Not to mention, what's the point.  If you're already going to run planes into them, all you're doing is making your conspiracy far far larger.

I don't know how they are more likely to be exposed in Iraq.  The chaos of a warzone in addition to the fact that there is far less media and civilian oversight seems like it would be much easier to fake something.  Not to mention being exposed planting weapons is probably vastly preferable to being exposed murdering thousands of American civilians.


What I'm saying is they knew the attacks were coming, ether because "AQ" was carrying it out or they themselves were going to (I don't know & nether do you).  Once you see it coming and you need a massive disaster to drive the people to war you want to make it as big as possible.  To make it as big as possible you plant steel cutting explosives (I believe thermite is classified as an explosive) in the target so that it turns out as bad as possible with the buildings going down.  If the building didn't go down the emotional impact of the attack would have been much much less.  It wouldn't take thousands of people to place explosives at key points in the building.  A small team with total access could do the job easy.  They weren't stripping the building, they were planting explosives.

As for WMD's in Iraq, they already got what they wanted, why tempt fate?

 

So how dout those temps in the rubble?



Attoyou on 17 January 2013

No, It was a outside job.



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chris_wing on 17 January 2013
BenVTrigger said:
chris_wing said:
PDF said:
I don't believe it was an inside job because nothing that happened afterward lends any real credibility to it being an inside job. Why would we want to go to Afghanistan? If it was an inside job, surely we would have chose another country to use.

If it was an inside job George Bush would not have been reading a book to children when his master plan was happening. He definitely would not have let his fall guy Osama get away. None of it makes sense if it was an inside job. People give Bush administration way to much credit claiming it was conspiracy.


Oh man, do I need to repost everything I've been saying for every new person who posts with out reading the thread?  I guess not, read the thread bro.

Nothing happened after, except two wars, more permanent bases through out the Middle East & Asia, a pupet government in Iraq, the stripping of rights, the Patriot Act & I could do on & on.

It wasn't Bush's master plan you n**d, if you think Bush was anything more then a puppet distracting people with his stupidity while Cheney & his group conducted operations then you're just wrong.

If they got Osama right away then it would be kind of hard to continue the War & start another if Americas blood lust had been appeased that early.

You seem to be making a lot of assumptions, give us a little credit.

While I wont comment on which side I believe, I find the fact that you think Cheney is some evil mastermind who used the President of the country as a puppet is beyond far fetched.......

Cheney isn't the mastermind



chris_wing on 17 January 2013
zero129 said:
I think everyone in this thread should stop posting until the OP starts Debunking us like he said he was going to. After all he is the one who has been looking into this for years and says he can debunk anything we can come up with. If so why has he left and why is other people trying to do his job??.
Just leave it till he gets back and lets see his debunking begin, otherwise this was just a sick thread for Points for the OP.


Agreed