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We seriously need some very casual gamers on this site. Who play a game or two here and there. COD, Mario, Angry Birds. Their opinion would be so valuable as everyone seems to be giving so much attention to them when outlining strategy for future devices. I don't even know if they really care to be honest.

I don't see how the nextbox is going to be able to do everything a pc does (including work based application). It might be able to do as much as other tablets (RT/iPad) but most people have cell phones/tablets which can do that regardless. If i need to check something i am not going to turn on my console to do that or make an excel spreadsheet on it. It is added feature but in my opinion barely a requirement for the main market.

PS3 tried the whole "it only does everything" but until they really brought the games to the forefront. The beast of a multimedia device was suffering in sales and eyes of people who made the playstation brand what it is today.

So much speculation going around what the future holds. I guess we will have to wait and see.



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Read it, finally.

I don't agree. We can not tell anything about Wii U yet and the 3DS is doing quite well for the "better option" of a Smartphone being out there.

(I know that seems short, but that's all that I needed to say.)



Haha FFS! .. ONLY GAMES can sell a gaming console!.. not multimedia ..or not because of how good the OS is.. seriously?

Not cheapo apps.. those games are an afterthought to consumers who ever says.. aww shieet Imma get me self a smart phone so I can play angrybirds.. they buy smartphones/tablets for other reasons and gaming on it is secondary, tertiary, quarternary.. jus look at its main buyers.

Come on dude! wiiU has not one decent game system seller yet.. seriously just wait ppl!



 

Um.... 3DS is probably the best console going right now.



RolStoppable said:


There is a common problem between the 3DS and Wii U: Nintendo invested in technology that consumers do not value (stereoscopic 3D and Gamepad). The hardware prices went up completely unnecessary. Is this is a problem that could be fixed with a good operating system and multimedia applications? Of course not. It's all about the games and dropping the price of the hardware to an acceptable level.

Not only do I agree with these points in particular, I'd argue that the 3D and Gamepad are additionally harmful to their respective systems because those two, largely-unvalued qualities are also the same ones that Nintendo is pushing (or had pushed, in case of 3D) as the system's core strength. In other words, not only did this unnecessarily jack up the price, it also turned off people who saw these as the systems' central features and unsurprisingly responded with indifference to the hardware as a whole.



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Well after hearing the leaked specs of the PS4/720 that are in alignment of what IGN had put out in an article, I doubt think Nintendo will be replacing the Wii U anytime soon!

http://ca.ign.com/articles/2013/01/16/next-gen-secrets-allegedly-leaked-to-nvidia-by-former-amd-executives



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RolStoppable said:

I remember your "OSes are the future of consoles" thread and told you that you are setting yourself up for an "I was wrong all along..." thread. I stand by that.

You are right about one thing: Consumers have certain expectations when it comes to certain products and companies (begin to) fail when they don't meet these expectations. Consumers do not expect the same things from every dedicated video game system, just like they do not expect the very same things from every car. So while I don't disagree with your assertion that people expect a dumbed down PC as a Microsoft video game console, I sure don't believe that this is what people want from Nintendo. What people expect from Nintendo:

1. Quality, durability and affordability, for both the hardware and software.
2. Games that are easy to learn, but hard to master.
3. A good gift/product for kids. Something that can be bought safely.
4. A sense of continuity, i.e. strengths of one system being carried over to the next and improved upon.

There are other things you could add (like long battery life for handhelds), but the things above universally apply to home consoles and handhelds. Now if Nintendo manages to meet all of the above requirements and their video game systems still don't sell, then you can start to look for other reasons, like the OS stuff this thread is about. But let's see how well the 3DS did at launch:

1. Expensive hardware ($250), game prices went up, lack of quality software for many, many months.
2. Lack of software means that this wasn't fulfilled by default.
3. Stereoscopic 3D can damage the eyes of children aged 6 or younger. Huge red flag right there. 3D can be disabled with parental controls, but if you, superchunk, weren't aware of this, we can't really expect the average consumer to know about this.
4. Lack of software also hurted immensely here.
5. Battery life took a nosedive.

In summary, the 3DS launch was a recipe for disaster. Some of these issues have been fixed by now, but others will most likely exist for the entire lifecycle. The 3DS would have struggled even in an environment without Sony handhelds and smartphone games, simply because it wasn't a compelling product. Now let's move on the Wii U:

1. Expensive hardware ($350 with a game), game prices went up, lack of quality software for many, many months. Or at least that's how the latter looks, because Nintendo has refused to announce games.
2. Nintendo Land and NSMBU fulfill this, but the price of the hardware is too much of a hurdle; also see point 4.
3. The thing is notably more expensive than previous Nintendo home consoles which topped out at $250, including a game.
4. This is potentially the biggest red flag for the Wii U, because it has no clear message. Will Nintendo improve upon the Wii? It's hard to say, because nobody knows which games will launch when; and what is there is no progress at all, the system uses the same Wiimotes and Nunchuks as the Wii. The Gamepad is an improvement over the conventional controller, but knowing that the GameCube left people cold, this isn't going to make people buy the system.

There is a lot of uncertainty surrounding the Wii U and a console is an investment for several years. People would like to know what they can expect before they commit to a purchase, but Nintendo doesn't tell anybody. People can wait until Nintendo puts their cards on the table, so for the time being the Wii U won't sell well at all. Will Nintendo make this a better Wii or are they trying to bait people into buying a console that is more like the GameCube?

There is a common problem between the 3DS and Wii U: Nintendo invested in technology that consumers do not value (stereoscopic 3D and Gamepad). The hardware prices went up completely unnecessary. Is this is a problem that could be fixed with a good operating system and multimedia applications? Of course not. It's all about the games and dropping the price of the hardware to an acceptable level.

I can't really argue on your comments. You have very valid points and those are clearly issues with Nintendo's current crop of platforms.

However, I do think OS features well beyond games would add a lot of value and desire for the general consumer. I think if marketed correctly, a Nintendo WiiU that also was a fully fleshed out Android app supported device that could sync with your phone/tablet would be selling a lot better and that is all software, so its not a large hit on the total costs of the device. Thus, it wouldn't have largly affected anything else.

Of course the single biggest part of this is the perception of these game consoles (the point you touch on with Nintendo directly) and the challenge is if the company correctly advertises and promotes all these expanded features beyond just gaming. MS of course can do this easier as they are already perceived as a PC company where as Nintendo is really only ever thought of as a games company.



Problem with the 3DS right now isn't the hardware but software price. Hardware is selling fine but software numbers are still pretty low. Nintendo needs to realize that with so many free games available on smartphones and tablet people aren't going to pay $40 except for the top notch titles.

In addition to that Nintendo has become a formulaic company, they think they just need to stick a gimmick with each game console/potable and call it a day. And no new franchises since Pikmin (that is before Iwata took over). Wii Sports, Nintendogs, Brain Age, etc don't count, as the 3DS proved (with Nintendogs and Brain Age), those super casual titles don't sell beyond their fads.

And seriously, who thought the Wii U could succeed anyways? Too expensive for the casual, it was clear the gamepad wasn't attractive enough, too underpowered to attract the enthusiast. Unless they can pull off a major hit like Wii Fit was last generation, I don't see this thing selling beyond GC levels, at least in the West. In fact I don't think it would be a major hit even if it was priced at $200, with 140 mil PS360 consoles already sold, who but the most dedicated of us Nintendo fans would care.

And I will keep saying this, Nintendo needs a big change in management. They need new blood more in touch with modern times.



A console is primarily for gaming though. Whatever console has the best collection of games and most fun experiences will come out on top. That's how it's always been.

Who knows what innovative games Nintendo have planned for the gamepad. Who knows what great experiences will come from Kinect 2.

I agree with all the OS stuff but it really plays a small part in what gaming console someone buys.



opcode said:

And no new franchises since Pikmin (that is before Iwata took over). Wii Sports, Nintendogs, Brain Age, etc don't count, as the 3DS proved (with Nintendogs and Brain Age), those super casual titles don't sell beyond their fads.

I confess, I've never for the life of me been able to understand this sentiment.