Mnementh said:
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Yes, I'm a german and aware of the problems Poland has with us and Russia. And I think it is rightfully so, both our countries committed war crimes to your country.
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Well yeah, but the situation is different when it comes to Germany and Russia. With Germany it's ok, since you appologised, we forgived but obviously won't forget - so just as it should be. As long as an idiot like Steinbach doesn't start to try to re-write the history and put you as the victims, we're fine. With Russia it's a whole different story, since they are not willing to grow up and treat us like other countries. I feel they still hate us for destroying their precious USSR...
mai said:
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Mnementh said:
Yes, I'm a german and aware of the problems Poland has with us and Russia. And I think it is rightfully so, both our countries committed war crimes to your country.
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If you're really a German, instead of victimizing Poland and cultivating your guilt force Poland to aknowledge and apology for their crimes, just to name the few: - Mass murder of Soviet POWs in death camps in 1920s; - Polish occupation of Czechoslovakia in 1938; - Mass murder of ethnic Germans in Bromberg and Schultz in 1939 (a provocation it is, but doesn't eliminate the fact); - Mass murder of Jews during WW2 (Nazis were scapegoats for this, which is not entirely true).
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At first I wasn't sure if you're serious and trying to be offensive, but then I checked that you're Russian and probably trying to be serious. Man, if someone didn't know a thing about these "facts", they could believe the bullsh!t you've written here.
- Mass murder of Soviet POWs in death camps in 1920s; <- Now this is just sad. The story about mass murders was created by your communistic goverment to give some kind of rationale for murdering of Polish officers in Katyń. Yes, many POW died in Polish camps, around 17-20%, but it was because of a huge epidemic of many illnesses, mainly flu. Poland has barely regained independence after 123 years, this territory was were the WWI took place, so really we had other priorities during yet another war than to take premium care of POWs, when we barely could do that for our own citisens. The number of Russian POWs who died in Poland is estimated to be between 16-20k, while the number of Polish POWs who died in your camps is estimated to be over 50k. Oh, on top of that let me remind you - it was you who attacked us. You really expect us to appologise? It kinda sounds more like you are butthurt that our 350k army obliterated your 1 million army in that war...
If you don't believe me here, read not-russian Internet sites, for example this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversies_of_the_Polish%E2%80%93Soviet_War
And stop repeating lies. There were no mass murders of your POWs in 1920s.
- Polish occupation of Czechoslovakia in 1938; <- Haha! Occupation? So now it was Poland that occupated Czechoslovakia in 1938? Last time I checked it was Germany, but ok... When it comes to us, we just took a very tiny piece of land from their country (which they took from us a few years earlier), since they lost their independence to Germany. We decided to take that area back, since the population there was 125k Poles and 30k Czechs. There was no occupation, no fights, not a single person was hurt in the process. They lost independence to a country hostile to us and we took back what we once had in order to protect our citisens over there. Can't see a reason to appologise.
- Mass murder of ethnic Germans in Bromberg and Schultz in 1939 (a provocation it is, but doesn't eliminate the fact); <- C'mon, even you say it was a provocation. You want us to appologise for all the lies that Hitler made up in order to justify the attack on Poland? You know that a day before the start of WWII German soldiers pretending to be Polish attacked and murdered the staff of a German radio station near the border (in Germany) - should we appologise for that as well? Seriously...
- Mass murder of Jews during WW2 (Nazis were scapegoats for this, which is not entirely true). <- You're just a braindead idiot if you believe this. The Jews were being murdered by the Germans. In fact the German death camps in Poland were founded to annihilate Poles in the beginning, only after some time they started murdering Jews there, it's a fact that people outside of Poland rarely know, since the Jews were crying about it since the end of the war and we couldn't tell our story because of the commies... 250k Poles were murdered in the gas chambers in Auschwitz alone, so suggesting that we were murdering the Jews there makes you a real idiot. The Polish nation is easily the nation that Jews owe the most. There has been no other nation in history that was better for them. I'm not only talking about WWII, but all history. I mean, there was a reason why in 1939 there were more Jews in Poland than there are now in Israel. They came here because we have been the most tolerant nation in Europe for hundreds of years.
And I'm not claiming that not a single Pole has ever done anything bad. But the things you listed is totall BS, every point is a lie and additionally when it comes to the trio of Poland-Germany-Russia, we never even came close to what you two did, so don't try to insinuate like there was any kind of equality or parity here.
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