Hahaha, well, sound waves gave me laughs as he thinks he is stating absolutes and facts. Though he manages to be funnier than most who do this.

Ot: My tablet is my main gaming platform until February. I am a total casual, all I play is angry birds, bad piggies, final fantasies, and borderlands 2.

End of the world shiznit if you ask me.

I doubt Nintendo will want to drop one of their biggest spending crowds so quickly. They are going to try their hardest to keep the Casuals with them.

I agree with this, I meant core gamers that play Zelda or Monster Hunter type games.

What I hope for the Wii U is not exactly big hw numbers, but a more active userbase with more games at a better schedule.

Dude...I loved sega, but anyone who has looked up the history of Sega can tell that they were not sabotage, but had internal issues and issues with catching up that caused their demise.

The Wii U is in a bit of a rough patch, I don't really know who it's marketed towards. It has a very complex controller, but it launched missing a lot of online features, and no first party games for the core. I have some predictions for it though.

Like the 3DS, the low sales will have Nintendo freaking, they will start production on a whole bunch of Mario, rush these games to market, and do a severe price cut. Problem is, I don't think this will do that much this time, and Nintendo will finally realize that they need to actually make games for core gamers.

Comparing tablets to the U is meaningful because they both compete for a sale. If someone believes that they can get the same enjoyment out of a tablet as they can the U, then Nintendo has a problem.

As for core games, I am all for them but are the casuals that fickle? I mean Just Dance is enjoying a pretty solid and reliable trend over its iterations, and upward curve if I may add. I can't say the same about Mario and Zelda. By the way, Skyward Sword sold less because it was a Zelda on the same platform as its predecessor, there's a pattern for that (see OoT and MM).

Lastly, if Microsoft was able to successfully tap into the casual market, it must mean that there's some kind of formula for success there.


Ultimately, the solution to the challenges Nintendo are currently facing is not "Ditch the casual", but rather "Let's not stop making games that attract the casual, and games that attract the core, and let's offer better prices, because the market is getting much more competitive". Simple stuff.

That's actually not such a stupid idea! They could come up with new IP's and strengthen their old like Mario and Zelda or Pokémon by making series out of them...

Exactly. Nintendo has recently been supporting the casuals but it isn't like they abandoned us, like many people think. The Wii and DS had some great Hardcore titles mixed in with the fun casual ones. 

We'll just have to wait and see what the Wii U offers up.

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I fail to see how the Wii were any less hardcore than the GC... If anything, the Wii proved that you can cater to both the casuals AND the hardcore. All I can agree with is that Nintendo should strive to get the same 3rd party support as Sony and MS... But the Wii was NOT a bad system, and didn't in fact neglect the hardcore gamers.