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Forums - Sales - Global UP! 12th January (updated with front page numbers)

omg, those psv and wiiU numbers make me want to cry. our industry is soo dead.



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kowenicki said:
we've had his discussion already.

Lets cut to the chase.

I say PS3 and 360 down 35% plus this year.

What do you say?


360 will be 35% plus down.

PS3 won't. Simple.



kowenicki said:
dsgrue3 said:
kowenicki said:
we've had his discussion already.

Lets cut to the chase.

I say PS3 and 360 down 35% plus this year.

What do you say?


360 will be 35% plus down.

PS3 won't. Simple.

yeah. great.

Not sure why you disagree. Last year 360 was down 29% and it had Halo. 

Last year PS3 was down 20% and it had nothing.  You think it drops another 35% based on what?



Gehirnkrampf said:
Haha. Nintendo fans dont believe it.better get used to it , we the vita fans are now your brothers in doom.


brothers in doom...LOL, I like it!



One thing to keep in mind regarding a price cut is how long retailers will put up with these sales.  I don't think this is a pressing issue in Japan or the US, but it is probably an issue in Europe.  Even now, 2 weeks after the holidays it is selling incredibly low numbers.  The average retailer in the UK probably isn't even selling one each day.  Supermarkets in the UK already aren't stocking it and dedicated game retailers seem to be going extinct there.  It wouldn't surprise me if some stores haven't sold their launch shipment, at least for the basics.

The big upcoming games, Pikmin and Lego City, have historically done significantly worse in Europe than in the US (and Japan for Pikmin).  So unless something unforseen happens, it seems unlikely that the Wii U will improve in Europe until late this year.  Will retailers be amenable to this situation continuing for another ~8 months?  Now I'm not saying it will disappear from Europe entirely, but unless Nintendo does something soon, I could see it having limited retail availability compared to the PS3 and 360.

Now is an immediate price cut the answer?  I don't know, but Nintendo needs to do something to keep the Wii U relevant in Europe.

I feel like I might be a bit too dramatic, but even the Vita didn't see lower sales in Europe until its 27th week, and that was in mid August.  (The week of Aug 25th 2012 was down 44% from Jan 14th 2012 across all hardware).

With that said, it's a bit strange how a couple weeks ago some were still arguing that the Wii U was selling out, and now we're discussing the necessity of an emergency price cut.



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Vita and WiiU are Hawk and Animal - The Legion of Doom.

I don't necessarily think WiiU should or will get a price cut just yet, but it is clear that its current price is, I think, a bit of an obstical to customers. Perhaps especially the customers that love NSMBU, the current must-have game. Passionate gamers tend to want something a little more visually stunning on a $350 machine or at least something very innovative and fresh like WiiSports was.

Slow sales aren't a huge deal because I think the system is one that needs hands-on and word of mouth. That will come in time. It makes the year head start on competition very important to build some buzz. It definitely needs buzz and better marketing. Not enough people know what it is.

Nintendo can be patient and wait for later in the year for big moves. Marketing, impressive 1st party titles, possibly a price drop, these things can come later when Sony and MS competition arrives. But there is no question that current sales levels are not good enough this week, and if it continues there are concerns.



ManUtdFan said:
kowenicki said:
platformmaster918 said:
sales2099 said:
platformmaster918 said:
sales2099 said:

1.6 million gap.

PS3 outselling 360 by 50 k each week on average.

7-8 months is 1.8 million. Thats around August 2013. Unless MS does a LONG OVERDUE 360 price drop.

Best case scenario for PS guys is August 2013. Worst case is after November.

don't forget all the exclusives coming out in Q1 & Q2 (beyond, LoU, GoW, Sly, Puppeteer, Ni No Kuni).  PS3 could get some big spikes from a couple of those.  Also I think Sony has some room to maneuver with the cheaper slim.  They will cut price if Microsoft does I feel.

Nah casuals wont be swayed by core games this late in the gen. Core gamers allready made their choices.

So God of War and Last of Us won't provide any sales spike?  I guess Halo and Gears don't help Xbox when they have a release anymore...oh wait.

No. They wont.  Go check some history.  You MIGHT get a slight bump, but no spike of anything major.


The problem with that is, you just see a temporary slight increase in sales but that doesn't factor in the long term benefit that a big esteemed game has on hardware sales. e.g. Someone decides to buy a ps3 or xbox because of playing on a friend's call of duty game that's already been out a year. It DOES affect the long term trends as well. That's why 2011 was such a good year for ps3 sales despite it being around for 5 years- the games were shifting the hardware consistently through the year.  

Problem is trends like those are spread out throughout the year, not localized to one week.



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

dsgrue3 said:
kowenicki said:
dsgrue3 said:
kowenicki said:
we've had his discussion already.

Lets cut to the chase.

I say PS3 and 360 down 35% plus this year.

What do you say?


360 will be 35% plus down.

PS3 won't. Simple.

yeah. great.

Not sure why you disagree. Last year 360 was down 29% and it had Halo. 

Last year PS3 was down 20% and it had nothing.  You think it drops another 35% based on what?

PS3 had 28 exclusives in 2012. It only had "nothing" because the PS3 gamers decided to make nothing of it.



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

Mnementh said:
sales2099 said:
pezus said:
WiiU fans are now in the exact same position Vita fans were in last year. WiiU sales weekly sales have met up (down) with Vita sales for the comparable week.

??

Vita launched after 3ds. WiiU is technically winning next gen.

Come on. The Wii crunched the LTD-sales of the X360 in short time. The WiiU is starting to sell below what the X360 did in it's first year. Yes, it is one week so far, but consoles usually have a momentum that makes most weeks about the same without big releases. This momentum seems to be low for the WiiU.

So was 3DS. But since it was out and Vita wasn't, Nintendo evaluated its palce in the market and ended up price dropping to a reasonable level......all before Vita released.

Same here where Nintendo can do what they need to do until November.



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

pezus said:
Kind of hard to believe everything dropped so harsly from last year (both this week and last). WiiU already below 100k though...what did I tell you, Cone?

I don't trust these numbers, though this is indeed a worrying sign for it to fall below 100k shortly.



 

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