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RenderMonk on 11 January 2013
Chris Hu said:
RenderMonk said:
Chris Hu said:
Despite all that the 360 still has almost a 100 million unit lead when it comes to software which is way more important because that is where the profits come from.


We're talking about overall popularity of systems. The PlayStation 3 outselling the Xbox 360 on this kind of consistent basis shows the worlwide demand for PS3 is better than it is for the 360. That's the topic, thats the point, and that's the truth. That and the fact that the recent report of how the "ship through" totals of PS3 have surpassed the 360 despite the year head start that Microsoft had (and yes, that really IS extreamly relevant and telling) is proof of what the most preferred console is.

Profit and how it's determined is not relevant to this topic, nor do you know for sure how it's calculated. That's a separate topic altogether, like how much money is put into making/advertising/selling those games vs how much they bring in. So you say the 360 has a 100 million unit lead, that means squat to me, as you aren't involved in those specifics of profits I mentioned, so you can't claim that as any sort of deciding factor in any matter.

Software sales are still more important then hardware sales and the clear winner in that department is the 360 which crushes the PS3 in software sales. 


As I mentioned before, your speaking about something you don't have all the facts on, so your point is moot.



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Chris Hu on 11 January 2013
KingofRome said:
Chris Hu said:
Despite all that the 360 still has almost a 100 million unit lead when it comes to software which is way more important because that is where the profits come from.

I thought it was more profit if you sell hardware because it's your hardware and you get most of the percentage of the sale whereas for software a majority of the profits go to developers, retailers, etc. Plus you also can't really compare software to hardware. 600$ PS3 compared to a 60$ game. I might be  wrong on this though because I have no idea how much of a percentage Microsoft/Sony/Nintendo get when from a sale of a 3rd party game.


You are totally wrong both the 360 and PS3 where sold at a loss for most of there livetimes especially the PS3 which was sold at a $300 loss at launch.



GameAnalyser on 11 January 2013

Up until now, I didn't know in 2007 PS3 had outsold 360. I felt it was a very weak year for PS3.

#EDIT: I actually thought in 2008 PS3 performed miles ahead with the major exclusives.



RenderMonk on 11 January 2013

To DirtyP2002 and MarcusDJackson

I'm basing my info on this site, off this site. If other sources say otherwise, than so be it. The links you provided didn't readily show the numbers like VGChartz does, with the bottom line plainly visible. So for this conversation, on this site, we're going off these numbers.



KingofRome on 11 January 2013
Chris Hu said:
KingofRome said:
Chris Hu said:
Despite all that the 360 still has almost a 100 million unit lead when it comes to software which is way more important because that is where the profits come from.

I thought it was more profit if you sell hardware because it's your hardware and you get most of the percentage of the sale whereas for software a majority of the profits go to developers, retailers, etc. Plus you also can't really compare software to hardware. 600$ PS3 compared to a 60$ game. I might be  wrong on this though because I have no idea how much of a percentage Microsoft/Sony/Nintendo get when from a sale of a 3rd party game.


You are totally wrong both the 360 and PS3 where sold at a loss for most of there livetimes especially the PS3 which was sold at a $300 loss at launch.

Okay but what about now? They are sold at like 250$ each right? Let's say the companies get 100-150$ from every sale as straight up profit. How much would they get from a 60$ video game developed by third party? 



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Chris Hu on 11 January 2013
RenderMonk said:
Chris Hu said:
RenderMonk said:
Chris Hu said:
Despite all that the 360 still has almost a 100 million unit lead when it comes to software which is way more important because that is where the profits come from.


We're talking about overall popularity of systems. The PlayStation 3 outselling the Xbox 360 on this kind of consistent basis shows the worlwide demand for PS3 is better than it is for the 360. That's the topic, thats the point, and that's the truth. That and the fact that the recent report of how the "ship through" totals of PS3 have surpassed the 360 despite the year head start that Microsoft had (and yes, that really IS extreamly relevant and telling) is proof of what the most preferred console is.

Profit and how it's determined is not relevant to this topic, nor do you know for sure how it's calculated. That's a separate topic altogether, like how much money is put into making/advertising/selling those games vs how much they bring in. So you say the 360 has a 100 million unit lead, that means squat to me, as you aren't involved in those specifics of profits I mentioned, so you can't claim that as any sort of deciding factor in any matter.

Software sales are still more important then hardware sales and the clear winner in that department is the 360 which crushes the PS3 in software sales. 


As I mentioned before, your speaking about something you don't have all the facts on, so your point is moot.


Really I think you are bitter that the 360 will be the clear winner when it comes to sofware sales this generation so your point is moot.



Jaywood2010 on 11 January 2013
KingofRome said:
So what happened in 2008? Did Microsoft decide to release 3 exclusives that year instead of the usual 2 or 1?


They have roughly about the same amount of exclusives and Im surprised people didnt already know that PS3 has been outselling the X360. 

If you guys dont know why PS3 gets a lot of flack it's because it isn't dominating like last gen.  X360 has won America with no problems and has gained marketshare in europe.  Things has gotten better in Japan for them but still pretty horrific. 

Now with all that said who has made the most money between PS3 and X360?  sony has shown that they lack control like they did last gen while losing a lot of money.  XBOX and Nintendo has both became big competitors so I believe this is more of a win for X360 and Wii than it is for PS3.  I still dont get why you guys want to make a fan competition out of this when on all fronts PS3 has not been near as successful as PS2.  It has lost in software, profits, and marketshare but this war beteen most consoles that is only bragging rights are not effecting MSFT or Nintendo.  They have been successful this generation regardless of what kind of fan war is being made.

The same would be said if Apple closed this big of a gap while windows sold less than the previous windows.  It isn't hard to figure out guys.




       

Heavenly Sigma on 11 January 2013
kowenicki said:
and 2005.

not the 360's fault the Ps3 was late.

so 3 years to 360 and 5 years to PS3

but in the end.... the 360 leads.

Thanks.

The Box was early. The invites where clearly for 2006. The Wii and PS3 got the message.



 Go Team Venture! I still don't get the Wii, PS Move,  and Kinect.

GameAnalyser on 11 January 2013
JayWood2010 said:
KingofRome said:
So what happened in 2008? Did Microsoft decide to release 3 exclusives that year instead of the usual 2 or 1?


They have roughly about the same amount of exclusives and Im surprised people didnt already know that PS3 has been outselling the X360. 

If you guys dont know why PS3 gets a lot of flack it's because it isn't dominating like last gen.  X360 has won America with no problems and has gained marketshare in europe.  Things has gotten better in Japan for them but still pretty horrific. 

Now with all that said who has made the most money between PS3 and X360?  sony has shown that they lack control like they did last gen while losing a lot of money.  XBOX and Nintendo has both became big competitors so I believe this is more of a win for X360 and Wii than it is for PS3.  I still dont get why you guys want to make a fan competition out of this when on all fronts PS3 has not been near as successful as PS2.  It has lost in software, profits, and marketshare but this war beteen most consoles that is only bragging rights are not effecting MSFT or Nintendo.  They have been successful this generation regardless of what kind of fan war is being made.

The same would be said if Apple closed this big of a gap while windows sold less than the previous windows.  It isn't hard to figure out guys.

Gained marketshare in Europe - Agreed. Things gotten better in Japan? - No. It still struggles and the nextbox needs to do even better to lift the impending drag it would face in that market. The fact that PS3 has performed well across all regions where Europe has been the biggest performer and the fact that it outsold 360 every year since 2009 is also a clear indicator of who actually won. You are using sales figures, profits(confined to region) and just improved marketshare as elements of console's success. This is the reason why MS strategy never worked  in their favor outside US. And the fact that PS3 has outsold 360 in Europe and Japan ages ago is something MS needs to carry over , understand its significance to become the clear winner of next generation. Ofcourse PS3 didn't perform like PS2, but it's on par with PS1. It lost a fair amount of exclusives and marketshare from MS this generation. But it was never poised to fail like how Gamecube and original Xbox failed.



Jaywood2010 on 11 January 2013
GameAnalyser said:
JayWood2010 said:
KingofRome said:
So what happened in 2008? Did Microsoft decide to release 3 exclusives that year instead of the usual 2 or 1?


They have roughly about the same amount of exclusives and Im surprised people didnt already know that PS3 has been outselling the X360. 

If you guys dont know why PS3 gets a lot of flack it's because it isn't dominating like last gen.  X360 has won America with no problems and has gained marketshare in europe.  Things has gotten better in Japan for them but still pretty horrific. 

Now with all that said who has made the most money between PS3 and X360?  sony has shown that they lack control like they did last gen while losing a lot of money.  XBOX and Nintendo has both became big competitors so I believe this is more of a win for X360 and Wii than it is for PS3.  I still dont get why you guys want to make a fan competition out of this when on all fronts PS3 has not been near as successful as PS2.  It has lost in software, profits, and marketshare but this war beteen most consoles that is only bragging rights are not effecting MSFT or Nintendo.  They have been successful this generation regardless of what kind of fan war is being made.

The same would be said if Apple closed this big of a gap while windows sold less than the previous windows.  It isn't hard to figure out guys.

Gained marketshare in Europe - Agreed. Things gotten better in Japan? - No. It still struggles and the nextbox needs to do even better to lift the impending drag it would face in that market. The fact that PS3 has performed well across all regions where Europe has been the biggest performer and the fact that it outsold 360 every year since 2009 is also a clear indicator of who actually won. You are using sales figures, profits(confined to region) and just improved marketshare as elements of console's success. This is the reason why MS strategy never worked  in their favor outside US. And the fact that PS3 has outsold 360 in Europe and Japan ages ago is something MS needs to carry over , understand its significance to become the clear winner of next generation. Ofcourse PS3 didn't perform like PS2, but it's on par with PS1. It lost a fair amount of exclusives and marketshare from MS this generation. But it was never poised to fail like how Gamecube and original Xbox failed.

So you think a console that is still relatively new on the market going from 25m to proba around 80m consoles is a loss?  No that is a strategic win.  XBL, Kinect, XBLA, software has all been a success as well.  PS3 goes from 150m to most likely aroun 95m is a success while theyve lost a ton of money through the years?  As I said before people and Im going to include you are looking at this from a fan war rather than a business perspective.  Microsoft disrupted the console market and Sony has lost marketshare.  That cant be argued at all.  for a company to come into the console market like this and take down a console giant is all you can do.  

sit generations side by side and see who has gained and who has lost market.  Sony can no longer be considered the same dominating company they once were.

Companies and businesses care about profits which means gaining marketshare.  Anybody who loses 120 million consoles in marketshare will not be happy with those results. 120 million more consoles were sold from previous generatons to rival companies is where that number is coming from btw.