The problem is not in marriage itself, by now it's mostly a legal related term, but if homosexual (or whatever couple outside of traditional... really, my imagination goes further than just "gay couple") family should be allowed to become a foster parents, or any parenting at all in any shape or form. A sane society should decline such proposition. At least that's what, I believe, most people who said "no" would think.

I was and am against gay marriage.
I'm not religious therefore it has nothing to do with religion,but marriage is and was always a thing between man and woman.
if gay people want to live together they could and should.they can invent a new word and ceremony for living together in a official way,but not a marriage.
just as a gay male couple shouldn't be allowed to adopt children,as they can't produce some.

This gay marriage blabla is just a fashion thing and it is only pushed in the western world as part of the agenda 21(and the agenda 21 is pushed by some psychpathic occult idiots who are meeting every year at a very homosexual ceremony where almost only males are allowed-the bohemian grove)
and sadly most western people are following this fashion,ignoring that they are not the center of the world and that the rest of the world gives a shit about gay marriage.
How stupid these white moaning pseudo"good doers" are?extremly.
Those white asskissers(and they are.i'm part of a minority and they've been trying to kiss my as for years)
are the worst kind of racist on planet earth.
They are racist to themselves.
They oppose you when you are white and against homosexuals or other religions,but they will acceppt and tolerate this stupid behaviour when you are eg a muslim-than they call it culture.
The same with this stupid thread.This guy wouldn't even dare to make such a thread about allowing gay marriage in muslim countries.
People in the usa can ignore that workers in china must work for next to nothing as slaves to make rich monopolists with no scruples even richer (foxconn,apple,ms)but they care whether gay people in the western world can marry or not.that's pathetic .
You can treat people like shit(even in our so called democracys),let them have 3 jobs and still not enough money to survive,but hey-when you are gay you can marry.(this gay marriage is just a trick to take your attention away from real important issues.the trick is simple.the minority trick.Take a white liar and massmurder like gw bush=killer,people are protesting.
replace him with a black liar and massmurder=it's ok.no more white asskissing protesters.
Ask yourself;how is it possible that the same government that is pushing this gay agenda in the west is helping extremly religious racist,anti women, anti gay-dictatorships like saudi arabia(slavery until 1967)to stay in power ?
If you wanna help gay people or other minorities than try to help them where they need real help and not where they can live pretty good just like in the western world.

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You're 100% wrong in your statement (as well as for calling me a lemming). If he believed that drinking alcohol was wrong and worked to ensure his children do not drink alcohol, that would not make him bigoted against people who do drink alcohol, your assumption is a logical fallacy. Parents try to instill their moral beliefs of right and wrong into their children, so if he believes homosexual acts are wrong, It is perfectly logical that he could teach his children that doing those acts would be wrong while still instructing them to treat others with dignity and respect REGARDLESS of what their personal choices are. He may not be acting logically when he 'guarantees' his child will not be gay, but it is a leap to say that is bigotry, it is not. I'm not saying for certainty that he is not a bigot, but that you do not have any real evidence to say that he is, so the jump to crying 'bigotry' is kind of pointless.

It's perfectly fine to disagree with people, but jumping to calling people bigots and lemmings is a pretty poor debate tactic, that's my point.

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the2real4mafol said:

Yeah just what i don't understand, this sort of thing has nothing to do with anyone but the individual concerned. So what if they are gay, let them marry or whatever you lot think it should be called, let them adopt children. As long as they are in a happy, bonding relationship between each other and there families, there is no reason to treat them any different to a more "traditional" family. This issue is personal and yet most people feel it's neccesary to make it something that concerns them.

Again marriage is mostly a legal term, say, to defend you proprietary interests if you get divorced or smth. Of course, there could be other definitions, including sacral, if you're religious person, but that none of a business of the rest of the society. You could easily settle those things individually by signing marital agreement. The concern of the society are kids and their well-being. Which brings a question how we should qualify homosexua families, my position is rather clear -- define them as disadvantaged families that might bring harm, unless of course if you think that parenting has no connection to child psychology and/or society is unaware of itself.

the2real4mafol said:

But how would you know if they are loving parents or not, unless they are allowed to adopt. There are probably gay couples out there that would make better parents than a heterosexual one. If you see that the kid has bad parents (gay or not), they should be treated the same as anyone else would. And how exactly are they disadvantaged? It shouldn't matter who there parents are, as long as they are happy and have a good life. But it's like people think i'm in a so called "disadvantaged family" because i'm in a single parent family. I'm nearly 18 now and have never needed my dad, and i'm fine. I think you are far more disadvantaged if you have 2 abusive parents than 2 loving gay parents to be honest. I can understand that society cares about the children, but it shouldn't bother them who there parents are, as long as you can tell that they are fine. People just need to be more tolerant to these people