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LemonSlice on 08 January 2013
Wander_ said:
JoeTheBro said:
PS4K will be a beast and most definitely a huge leap above the Wii U. Sony can already go head to head with Nintendo's system for the time being with the money making PS3. Meanwhile the PS4K will be slowly gaining sales from the hardcore crowd with its loses balenced out by the PS3. This could work great if Microsoft's console is only 2-3x more powerful than the Wii U. However if XBOX8 is comparable to the PS4K and we have a similar setup as the 6th gen then this could really mess with Sony's plan. It's definitely a gamble, but all signs point to this being their strategy.

LMAO, So now it's called PS4k, im gonna start calling the PS3 PS31080k


You should call it PS3600PUPSCALED



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EdHieron on 08 January 2013
DanneSandin said:
EdHieron said:
DanneSandin said:
EdHieron said:
torok said:
maximrace said:
Sony doesn't care about selling more than 360 they care about profits. And the ps4 won't be a beast it will be stronger than wiiU (2-3x) but they won't take a risk making massive losses again thanks to their bad financial situation.


Actually, I don't think that their current financial status is the biggest reason. They released two consoles that were cheap and less powerfull than the competitors and won by huge margins. They released one console that was expensive and powerfull and lost. It's clear that people prefer price, expensive consoles always fail. A gen never was won by a console launched for more than US$ 300 in USA.


I really don't know how Sony lost since they sold close to 600,000 consoles last week and Wii bately managed to sell 200,000, and that was a normal week at the end of this gen.

Sony lost because the Wii has sold nearly 100m and the PS3 just above 70m... End of story. Next gen has already started, and if the PS4 launches in 2014 it'll end up last; MS will surely launch x3ox this year so it would only be stupid of Sony to wait a whole year to release the PS4. Expect the x3ox to be on par with PS4 - even if the PS4 is launched a year later. Only the hardcore SOny fans would wait a whole year to get a next gen machine, and in the mean time Nintendo and MS will sell new systems  like crazy, leaving SOny in the dust. No, Sony NEEDS to release the PS4 this year or be last next gen the whole gen. They'll start in last place and they'll end in last place if your prediction holds true.

Oh, they might announce it at E3 this year just to stoke the fires, but even if they're following a schedule like Nintendo's with  Wii U, it still wouldn't be coming out 'til Holiday 2014.

And you're really putting too much emphasis on the importance of a year's head start.  Just look at the current gen.  Playstation 3 launched one year later and at a price tag of $200 more than the 360, yet they're still going to pass 360 when everything is over and done with.  This time IF 360 manages to get theirs out in 2013 the Playstation would still be launching only a year later and more than likely at no more than at a $100.00 higher price tag.

Now would it really be that disastrous for Sony to release a year later?  Where would it really hurt them?  Well, it would hurt them in America, but as demonstrated this gen, that's really not going to hurt them that much since they could still beat the 360's successor with strong sales in the European and Japanese marketplace.  PS3 will continue to dominate in Europe 'til the release of PS4 whenever that is and Microsoft's consoles will never catch on in Japan.

Really, the smartest move Sony can make to keep their old fans and to attract new ones ( since their games lineup is not as casual friendly as Nintendo's) is to release another State of the Art Console with a price point that is initially more attractive than the PS3's was at launch.

An honestly priced (ie. that they're not losing on and that is as full of the greatest tech that can be bought for the price at the time) $500 console released Holiday 2014 is their best bet.

You're really predicting their doom imo...

First off; if Sony launches in late 2014, it wouldn't be a ONE years head start; it would be TWO years head start - since Wii U lanuched late in 2012. Secondly, it wasn't until AFTER the price drop the PS3 really picked up steam, so launching one year after x3ox with a higher price tag wouldn't benefit PS4, and soon they'd have to cut the price (like they did with PS3) and they'd be losing money (like with the PS3). Not a good strategy.

And with this strategy they would lose in Japan AND EU. Japanese aren't "graphic whores", meaning they would settle for something less powerful than a beastly PS4; enter Wii U. With a two years head start AND much cheaper price point they're set to dominate in Japan leaving the PS4 in the dust. And you gotta remember that EU is in a bad financial situation, which means that should x3ox launch one year a head with a cheaper price point Sony surely would lose that market as well leaving them with nothing. Launching at $500 would more or less guarantee a €500 price tag in EU, which translate to $650 - and that's something Europeans aren't ready to pay right now...

With your strategy Sony would ONLY attract old PS-fans, and not gaining anything else. This would be their last console.


Yeah, there were a lot of people predicting Sony's demise when it was announced that the PS3 would cost $600 at E3 2006, yet being the best selling console in the world week after week 6 years later would beg to differ.

Seeing as how 720's not going to be that cheap when it launches there wouldn't be that much difference in sales generated between a $400 and $500 (~500EU versus ~600EU) price tag in Europe initially (especially when the Sony brand is attached to the $500 / ~600EU one).  And if price is the only thing that mattered to the Europeans, they would have picked up Wii U in droves this past Christmas.  Plus at the European equivalent of $200 or less, the PS3 will continue to be doing quite well in Europe until PS4 releases / gets its first price cut and cutting into 720 sales that would also mitigate the earlier start for 720.

Also seeing as how Wii U is a late 7th gen console or a 7.5 gen console whereas the PS4 would be a true 8th gen console you would see most of Japan's true Next Gen development geared towards PS4.  Really, overall, even with a two year head start you wouldn't see that much of a difference in Japan between Wii U and PS4 something like that between DS and PSP or the much smaller Wii versus PS3 gap ~4 million in favor of Wii with PS3 gaining every week demonstrating that there are many Japanese gamers that enjoy comparably awesome graphics especially if a lot of Japanese titles were already in development and being geared as PS4 or 8th Gen Console exclusives for the PS4's launch window (possible eg. Metal Gear Solid 5).



Chandler on 08 January 2013
EdHieron said:
cheese_man said:
EdHieron said:

However, the most important reason in my opinion that we won't see PS4 in stores in 2013 is that Sony's not going to release it until after the Playstation 3 has finally passed the Xbox 360


What does this matter and how does it make it the most important reason? No really, I genuinely don't understand, do they want to advertise as being the 2nd most popular console of last gen so you should buy a ps4?

Also why can't they continue to profit from the ps3 after the ps4 launch? Ps3 may even outsell the ps4/xb3 early on.


I think when it's all said and done 360 and PS3 will be considered a different gen from the Wii.  Especially since Wii stopped selling in dramatic numbers some time ago and 360 and PS3 had well over 50% of the 7th gen's marketshare.


I heard Sony and MS also share a bank account. Oh wait, they don't. Stop lumping them together. Wii beat you, get over it.

 

I hope the PS4 releases the same day Pokemon does. I want to see what happens.



Ongoing bet with think-man: He wins if MH4 releases in any shape or form on PSV in 2013, I win if it doesn't.

Soundwave on 08 January 2013

If they don't launch in 2013 and Microsoft does, they might as well wrap it up IMO.



EdHieron on 08 January 2013
Chandler said:
EdHieron said:
cheese_man said:
EdHieron said:

However, the most important reason in my opinion that we won't see PS4 in stores in 2013 is that Sony's not going to release it until after the Playstation 3 has finally passed the Xbox 360


What does this matter and how does it make it the most important reason? No really, I genuinely don't understand, do they want to advertise as being the 2nd most popular console of last gen so you should buy a ps4?

Also why can't they continue to profit from the ps3 after the ps4 launch? Ps3 may even outsell the ps4/xb3 early on.


I think when it's all said and done 360 and PS3 will be considered a different gen from the Wii.  Especially since Wii stopped selling in dramatic numbers some time ago and 360 and PS3 had well over 50% of the 7th gen's marketshare.


I heard Sony and MS also share a bank account. Oh wait, they don't. Stop lumping them together. Wii beat you, get over it.

 

I hope the PS4 releases the same day Pokemon does. I want to see what happens.


The PS3 will pass Wii in 2015 (2014 in Japan).



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Chandler on 08 January 2013
EdHieron said:
Chandler said:
EdHieron said:
cheese_man said:
EdHieron said:

However, the most important reason in my opinion that we won't see PS4 in stores in 2013 is that Sony's not going to release it until after the Playstation 3 has finally passed the Xbox 360


What does this matter and how does it make it the most important reason? No really, I genuinely don't understand, do they want to advertise as being the 2nd most popular console of last gen so you should buy a ps4?

Also why can't they continue to profit from the ps3 after the ps4 launch? Ps3 may even outsell the ps4/xb3 early on.


I think when it's all said and done 360 and PS3 will be considered a different gen from the Wii.  Especially since Wii stopped selling in dramatic numbers some time ago and 360 and PS3 had well over 50% of the 7th gen's marketshare.


I heard Sony and MS also share a bank account. Oh wait, they don't. Stop lumping them together. Wii beat you, get over it.

 

I hope the PS4 releases the same day Pokemon does. I want to see what happens.


The PS3 will pass Wii in 2015.





Ongoing bet with think-man: He wins if MH4 releases in any shape or form on PSV in 2013, I win if it doesn't.

EdHieron on 08 January 2013
Chandler said:
EdHieron said:
Chandler said:
EdHieron said:
cheese_man said:
EdHieron said:

However, the most important reason in my opinion that we won't see PS4 in stores in 2013 is that Sony's not going to release it until after the Playstation 3 has finally passed the Xbox 360


What does this matter and how does it make it the most important reason? No really, I genuinely don't understand, do they want to advertise as being the 2nd most popular console of last gen so you should buy a ps4?

Also why can't they continue to profit from the ps3 after the ps4 launch? Ps3 may even outsell the ps4/xb3 early on.


I think when it's all said and done 360 and PS3 will be considered a different gen from the Wii.  Especially since Wii stopped selling in dramatic numbers some time ago and 360 and PS3 had well over 50% of the 7th gen's marketshare.


I heard Sony and MS also share a bank account. Oh wait, they don't. Stop lumping them together. Wii beat you, get over it.

 

I hope the PS4 releases the same day Pokemon does. I want to see what happens.


The PS3 will pass Wii in 2015.




Want to make a bet?



Chandler on 08 January 2013
EdHieron said:
Chandler said:
EdHieron said:
Chandler said:
EdHieron said:
cheese_man said:
EdHieron said:

However, the most important reason in my opinion that we won't see PS4 in stores in 2013 is that Sony's not going to release it until after the Playstation 3 has finally passed the Xbox 360


What does this matter and how does it make it the most important reason? No really, I genuinely don't understand, do they want to advertise as being the 2nd most popular console of last gen so you should buy a ps4?

Also why can't they continue to profit from the ps3 after the ps4 launch? Ps3 may even outsell the ps4/xb3 early on.


I think when it's all said and done 360 and PS3 will be considered a different gen from the Wii.  Especially since Wii stopped selling in dramatic numbers some time ago and 360 and PS3 had well over 50% of the 7th gen's marketshare.


I heard Sony and MS also share a bank account. Oh wait, they don't. Stop lumping them together. Wii beat you, get over it.

 

I hope the PS4 releases the same day Pokemon does. I want to see what happens.


The PS3 will pass Wii in 2015.




Want to make a bet?


Yeah, let's make a bet. One of us won't be around 2015 anyway :P You can haz liek forever sig control if you win, and if I win, you have to say that you were wrong.



Ongoing bet with think-man: He wins if MH4 releases in any shape or form on PSV in 2013, I win if it doesn't.

DanneSandin on 08 January 2013
EdHieron said:
DanneSandin said:

You're really predicting their doom imo...

First off; if Sony launches in late 2014, it wouldn't be a ONE years head start; it would be TWO years head start - since Wii U lanuched late in 2012. Secondly, it wasn't until AFTER the price drop the PS3 really picked up steam, so launching one year after x3ox with a higher price tag wouldn't benefit PS4, and soon they'd have to cut the price (like they did with PS3) and they'd be losing money (like with the PS3). Not a good strategy.

And with this strategy they would lose in Japan AND EU. Japanese aren't "graphic whores", meaning they would settle for something less powerful than a beastly PS4; enter Wii U. With a two years head start AND much cheaper price point they're set to dominate in Japan leaving the PS4 in the dust. And you gotta remember that EU is in a bad financial situation, which means that should x3ox launch one year a head with a cheaper price point Sony surely would lose that market as well leaving them with nothing. Launching at $500 would more or less guarantee a €500 price tag in EU, which translate to $650 - and that's something Europeans aren't ready to pay right now...

With your strategy Sony would ONLY attract old PS-fans, and not gaining anything else. This would be their last console.


Yeah, there were a lot of people predicting Sony's demise when it was announced that the PS3 would cost $600 at E3 2006, yet being the best selling console in the world week after week 6 years later would beg to differ.

Seeing as how 720's not going to be that cheap when it launches there wouldn't be that much difference in sales generated between a $400 and $500 (~500EU versus ~600EU) price tag in Europe initially (especially when the Sony brand is attached to the $500 / ~600EU one).  And if price is the only thing that mattered to the Europeans, they would have picked up Wii U in droves this past Christmas.  Plus at the European equivalent of $200 or less, the PS3 will continue to be doing quite well in Europe until PS4 releases / gets its first price cut and cutting into 720 sales that would also mitigate the earlier start for 720.

Also seeing as how Wii U is a late 7th gen console or a 7.5 gen console whereas the PS4 would be a true 8th gen console you would see most of Japan's true Next Gen development geared towards PS4.  Really, overall, even with a two year head start you wouldn't see that much of a difference in Japan between Wii U and PS4 something like that between DS and PSP or the much smaller Wii versus PS3 gap ~4 million in favor of Wii with PS3 gaining every week demonstrating that there are many Japanese gamers that enjoy comparably awesome graphics especially if a lot of Japanese titles were already in development and being geared as PS4 or 8th Gen Console exclusives for the PS4's launch window (possible eg. Metal Gear Solid 5).

Yes, it's been the best selling console for like a year or two - doesn't mean it'll catch up to Wii. And question is how much more will it sell than the 360? But none of that matters as Sony more or less haven't earned any money from the PS3. They lost a shit load of money in the beginning, and it's not until recently they've hit their pre-PS3 levels of money. That is not a sustainable business model.

The difference between x3ox and PS4 is that MS has a lot of money. They can afford to produce a console at $500 and sell it for $400 - Sony can't. This make MS extremely competitive and can under cut PS4's price point every step of the way. And one of the reasons the Europeans DIDN'T buy a Wii U is BECAUSE of it's high price tag. €350 is a lot in EU right now, so do you really expect Sony to be successful with a €500 system?! It's gonna bomb HARD if it releases with that price. Sony will be forced to cut the price and lose money on it, money they don't have.

It doesn't matter how you count the generations; we number them because it makes it easier for the industry (and the fans) to talk about them. No matter how you wanna see the generations, it's a fact we compare the Wii with PS360 - because they're competing against each other for out money. That's what matters. It doesn't matter whether or not you think of Wii U as a gen 7 or gen 8 machine; it will compete with PS720 for the market's money. THAT'S what matter.

The Wii is dead and isn't getting any more games; THAT'S why PS3 is gaining on it. Nintendo dropped that piece of machine as if it was poison, and it shows. A much more relevant comparison would be 3DS vs Vita. Tell me, how is that race going? Last I saw the numbers 3DS had sold over 10m in Japan while Vita is stuck somewhere around 500k. Seriously, that's a HUGE difference. Both consoles are being supported and are new entries to the market. Vita is much more powerful than 3DS, so how come 3DS is consistently outselling Vita if Japanese wants better graphics and power? Please explain that to me. 3DS is an inferior piece of technology, and yet it's selling like crazy. It's really and ass raping of the Vita on a scale I've never seen before.

Let's compare 3DS vs Vita with Wii U vs PS4:

Vita/PS4 has/will have superior technology

3DS/Wii U launched earlier

3DS/Wii U is cheaper

What does that tell you? PS4 will be a huge failure if Sony follows your advice.



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ManUtdFan on 08 January 2013

OP. I hope you're right. I fear you're wrong.

Ideal for sony would be to release the PS4 only once it has 10X the power of the last gen. Releasing a console just 2-4 times as powerful might appear indistinguishable to the 'layperson' consumer - thus go unnoticed. In that event, it would be lacking the next-gen buzz or vibe that everyone gets so excited about.