"You keep saying Live is superior while downplaying PSN. Please explain yourself why its superior. Justify that $60 fee to play games online for a year. edit: curious, how many games do you play online anyways."

Much, much faster matchmaking

Universal mute list built into the entire service

Bandwidth for downloading games is higher

Party chat

I use some of the other services on there, like ESPN and Verizon, which aren't big deals but cool perks

Superior voice quality

More so than anything else I listed, I prefer Live for all the little things it does better. Joining games is faster, joining parties is faster. Unlike PSN, all games on Live support join in progress. Also unlike PSN, Live actually lets you know whether or not you CAN join the session. If I want to join a friends game in CoD on PS3, I have to just keep trying to join and hope there is a slot open. On Live, it won't even allow me to try and join unless there is a spot open. Works on other games the same way. Also, it gives me more details about the games my friends are in. I am in Madden leagues on both consoles. If I see an opponent online on PS3 and ask if he wants to play, he might tell me he is in a game already and will hit me up when he's done. Well... how long will that be? I don't know, because all PSN tells me is he is playing Madden 13. I could send him another text message and ask him, but I don't want to bother him while he is in a league game. On Live in the same scenario, I just look at my friends list. Not only does it tell me that he is playing Madden 13, it also tells me the score and quarter of the game. Also, I can send him a party invite and we can just chat in game. The invite pops up and he can just hit the Guide button and then hit X and he's in. On PSN for a text message you have to hit the Home button, wait for the XMB to load, cycle to the last list, cycle to messages, cycle to received, find mine, then read it. And whether he reponds or not, he then has to back out of 2 menus just to get back to the XMB, then hit Home again and wait for it to go to the background and bring the game back up. PSN is dreadfully slow and a pain to use in comparison. But it's free so who cares.

I could go on but there's no point. And again I paid $35 for my subscription. So that's less than a dime a day. Worth it to me. If not for yourself, oh well. If it wasn't worth the price to me, I wouldn't pay. I didn't pay last gen. When I got tired of playing Warhammer Online I stopped paying. When I decided The Old Republic was no longer worth the subscription fee, I stopped playing. Idk why it's so hard for others.

A. Great response but I won't waste my time disagreeing to such a well thought out and educated point. Seems you really beat me there.

B. $60 plus $3.50 is how much you paid for COD going by a per game breakdown. Glad to know you feel that way.

C. I'll be sure to remember that when I'm up for renewal. Thank you.

I wish you told me that logic instead of saying 1. people pay it, 2. I buy stupid things, 3. no one cares, it's only money, 4. take it or leave it, and 5. you enjoy watching internet fights.

I've always wondered if they are lying. I mean, I'm sure there are many who own both, but many times, you have fanboys on every site who say they "own" both, but I doubt they are telling the truth, cause they give a very biased point of view. 

"Much, much faster matchmaking"  - A few seconds faster if at all is insignificant

"Universal mute list built into the entire service"  - Can block, and mute people on PSN too.

"Bandwidth for downloading games is higher" - Everyone's Bandwidth is different. I can download One Piece Pirate Warriors a 12gig game in 3hrs.

"Superior voice quality" - The quality depends on each individual headset. You can use any bluetooth headset. Blame the user, not PSN.

I can tell you right now that the official Playstation bluetooth headset is light years ahead.

"Joining games is faster, joining parties is faster"  - a few nano seconds faster if at any is insignificant.

You list a lot of things here, and the only feature that stands out among them in my opinion is party chat. Most of your gripe is based on how fast you can do something, and since the difference is in seconds, in my opinion its unimportant.

I have a fairly large friend list on PSN, I don't spend anytime browsing my list unless I get an invitation or a message. I could care less about what my friends are doing because I just want to log in and play with anyone. (sorry friends on friend list)

If you find those insignificant details a better service than I solute you. I still don't see a reason why MS should charge you for that because you can do all that for free on PC on software like Xfire and games that supports it.

The difference is more than "a couple seconds". The difference in time just browsing for messages/invites is more than "a couple seconds". And yeah, you can mute on PSN.. if the game allows it. If not, you're out of luck. That's the problem with PSN, features and usability are a la carte. And your excuse regarding voice quality is hilarious. Yes, I know anyone can use any BT headset. That's the problem, not an excuse.

Why do you even bother asking for an opinion, if you're just going to shrug the things off as "insignificant"? Like i said, people like you in these threads are always funny. Sorry that my paying for Live's vastly superior service and being happy to do so, bothers you so much :)

I didn't ask for your sympathy. I asked for a justifyable reason why you think that service is superior. Your reasons and opinions simply failed to impress me. A few seconds does not impress me.

Yup PS+ really ruined it for them, Now MS fans can't say you get what you pay for.

The only thing that really annoys me about Live is that if you don't have it then in most cases you are actually only buying half a game for the price of a full one ( If you are a multiplayer gamer like me).

Without Live I can't enjoy my game to its fullest and that's total BS I say. It's like you buy a game and then M$ says "well if you really want to fully enjoy your game then you gotta pay me a subscription. because buying my console isn't enough!" I already have an internet bill, Cell phone bill, power bill, water bill, Sky television bill and weekly rent, the last thing is another cost to my ever growing list of bills.

Are both of you sure the problem with voice quality lies inside the service? I think it depends far more on the game, IF it is comparable to the PC. When I play TF2 all the voices of my friends sound crappy via ingame voice-chat, perfectly fine via Steam's own voice chat. Also in CoD.

If it is not comparable, go ahead and ignore this post.

From my experience I think it depends on the headset. My friends and I may sound crystal clear to each other but someone else with most likely a bad headset is noticeable.