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Price cut will (should) be next Year.

2009 - Slim + Cut
2010 - PS Move
2011 - Cut
2012 - Slimmer
2013 - Pricecut?

Would follow a trend I guess. Add in actual support this time around compared to 2012 and it might not be too far down YoY. I dont think WiiU will affect PS3 or 360 too much in 13... And it depends highly on which console(s) will release at the end of the Year.

How much will all the consoles be down next year? 360 will end up 10.5-11m which is about 25% down in sales. PS3 11.5-12m which is around 18% in sales. Wii of course massive down... 3DS about flat.

I think PS3 will be down 20% while 360 25% again, 30% if no major SW next holiday. DS and PSP will continue its spiral downwards 60% ish. In all honesty I think PSP will be discontinued WW before the PS2.

Being positive about next years sales.
360 8.5m
PS3 9.6m
DS 1.2m
PSP 1.2m
Wii 2m
3DS IDK either up quite a bit or flat
PSV IDK either
Wii U 8m+

The problem is they don't think the PS3 cut to $199 will have much of an affect.  Of course, to think that you would have to ignore Black Friday's numbers.  PS3 was the only console to be up YOY (and up 15%, not something like a meager 2%) for that week in the US.  Even 360's $50 price cut and $149 bundles didn't stop it from being down YOY.  Now, imagine if the PS3 was that price for ~6 months or more of the year, with a $149 Black Friday bundle.  Then you have ALL those exclusives launching next year.  I also agree that the Wii U isn't going to affect the PS3 or 360 sales.  They're selling to completely different crowds.

Like I said, I'm not delusional and think that the PS3 will be completely flat, or only 5% down.  But I don't think it being only 10%-15% down is completely out of the question.

At best PS3 will be down 20% next year.  There just isn't demand strong enough anymore for either 360 or ps3 to remain even flat YOY.  This generation is very close to ending as is proof by the huge YOY declines for every console this year.  Some nice games and a price cut may slow their fall but 20% YOY drops at best for the HD twins in 2013

Black Friday was a spike because its the biggest shopping day of the year and PS3 was on sale.  A permanent PS3 price cut would be great for a month or so but won't have a huge lasting impact at this point.  Like it or not this generation is pretty much over.

Then why was the 360, which had cheaper bundles, still down YOY?  It was the biggest shopping day/week after all?  There is still demand for the PS3.  And who knows, Sony may start pushing it in all those territories the PS2 has done so well in, since its cheap enough, now. 

PS3 may have been the only console to be up YOY on Black Friday, but overall for the month is was still down YOY.

Impossible to guess until we know exactly whats happening, but I wouldnt be shocked to see it be anywhere between 10%-30% down YoY depending on how things go. It will be down YoY, without a doubt. I still think it could hold a 15-20% drop though with meaningful support and cuts.

Perma $199 cut with a $150 4GB option? That would be pretty big and sustainable I reckon, as long as games are releasing on a consistant basis.

Gonna be a crazy Year.

And that's another 40k for Xenoblade.