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I don't know why the parables are taken so literally. There is immense wisdom to be found in all religions but over time the message just get polluted and depends on each person's intellect and intelligence to understand that. If you tell someone to pass a message to someone and so on and on. By the time it reaches 100 people it is nothing like the original message.

You have go deep in meditation and prayer to understand and feel one with these things. They are not mathematical in the sense that once you know the formula you can solve the question. Life is ever changing flux and brings new questions everyday.

There are more intellect based mystics for people who are not comfortable with prayer based religions. Buddha original message, Tantra's 112 meditations and Golden verses of Pythagoras. Yes the Pythagorean theorem Pythagoras. He was a great mystic but because of his hobby of mathematics he is mostly known for that.

I don't post much in these discussions as despite the good intentions not much good comes out of them. Same with never ending debates of theologicians. They debate and focus on trying to win the arguments but never on the inner fulfillment of one's inner soul.

Pray/meditate on these scriptures. There are many paths to God or ultimate salvation, clarity, Nirvana etc.

Love and Peace.



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Not even the pastors in my church believe the Earth was created 4000 years ago.

I just look at it this way, back in Moses' days people didn't even have a Grade 1 education. Even if God did explain about dinosaurs et al, there was simply no benefit or logic in trying to explain that to people of that time as A) They couldn't understand it properly, and B) it was irrelevant to their lives. The seven days of creation were not literal days (days didn't exist yet) but creation periods. Dinosaurs existed prior to Man being placed on the Earth.



 

green_sky said:
I don't know why the parables are taken so literally. There is immense wisdom to be found in all religions but over time the message just get polluted and depends on each person's intellect and intelligence to understand that. If you tell someone to pass a message to someone and so on and on. By the time it reaches 100 people it is nothing like the original message.

You have go deep in meditation and prayer to understand and feel one with these things. They are not mathematical in the sense that once you know the formula you can solve the question. Life is ever changing flux and brings new questions everyday.

There are more intellect based mystics for people who are not comfortable with prayer based religions. Buddha original message, Tantra's 112 meditations and Golden verses of Pythagoras. Yes the Pythagorean theorem Pythagoras. He was a great mystic but because of his hobby of mathematics he is mostly known for that.

I don't post much in these discussions as despite the good intentions not much good comes out of them. Same with never ending debates of theologicians. They debate and focus on trying to win the arguments but never on the inner fulfillment of one's inner soul.

Pray/meditate on these scriptures. There are many paths to God or ultimate salvation, clarity, Nirvana etc.

Love and Peace.


This entire post is nothing but fluff. Not an ounce of effort to attempt to answer the OP in any way. Astonishing how blissfully ignorant some people are.



dsgrue3 said:
green_sky said:
I don't know why the parables are taken so literally. There is immense wisdom to be found in all religions but over time the message just get polluted and depends on each person's intellect and intelligence to understand that. If you tell someone to pass a message to someone and so on and on. By the time it reaches 100 people it is nothing like the original message.

You have go deep in meditation and prayer to understand and feel one with these things. They are not mathematical in the sense that once you know the formula you can solve the question. Life is ever changing flux and brings new questions everyday.

There are more intellect based mystics for people who are not comfortable with prayer based religions. Buddha original message, Tantra's 112 meditations and Golden verses of Pythagoras. Yes the Pythagorean theorem Pythagoras. He was a great mystic but because of his hobby of mathematics he is mostly known for that.

I don't post much in these discussions as despite the good intentions not much good comes out of them. Same with never ending debates of theologicians. They debate and focus on trying to win the arguments but never on the inner fulfillment of one's inner soul.

Pray/meditate on these scriptures. There are many paths to God or ultimate salvation, clarity, Nirvana etc.

Love and Peace.

This entire post is nothing but fluff. Not an ounce of effort to attempt to answer the OP in any way. Astonishing how blissfully ignorant some people are.

Far from blissful and ignorant but i am sure you are not interested in spirituality and more just negating all forms of its presence. I am not a christian but i have respect for the religion and thus i made the post. I wanted to say that people should focus on what's important and core concepts. No one is saying the flinstones is real and talking snakes were part of history. Make what you will of it. 



BlkPaladin on 27 December 2012

I'm responding to the OT. The word used in Genesis for day, could also be translated era or period of time. So it wasn't a literal 24-hour period of time each "day". (And actually there is another word entirely that refers to the 24-hour day and it wasn't used in this account.) In addition it was not written to be scientifically accurate with this animal appeared here, because such information wouldn't of been useful to the audience that read it during in the day it was written. But the account does give the audience of that time a good look at what happened on earth during the six creative periods, without getting into the details. (The book was written in 1513 BCE by Moses) And actually the account has be lauded as a very good narrative of what happened as a observer standing on earth and going through the millions of years even down to when the animal groups appeared on the planet. Because if you read Gen 1:1 you find that the universe was already created even before the 6 periods began.

The dinosaurs appeared during the period of Gen 1:20-22 and disappeared by what ever mechanism brought their extinction during that time also. Its speculation but the dinosaurs were essentially used to maintain the plant-life so it didn't over run the planet and endanger to emergence of the mammal family, and once their task was done they were disposed of, for a lack of a better term.

 

 

 

Paladin's response is good and really the ony one necessary.  So many Christians and non-Christans alike have so little understandng or knowledge of what is in the bible and what it's about.  So many also seem to think it was written in English, which is quite honestly pretty funny.  If you are Christian, the bible tells you that God made light, the oceans, then land, then creatures and plants, then humans.  Humans lived in blissful ignorance until through their own desire became self-aware and intellient.  Take that what you will. It doesn't say there was or wasn't dinosaurs (or any other animal), that evolution was or wasn't how animals adapted and changed, and it doesn't say it all happened in a day or days.  The term "day" is just how it was translated years later.



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I'm so disillusioned and bored with the world right now NO joke I have started to consider Christianity. Would I even be welcome after all my atheist views? Probably not but I'm seriously considering it right now. I need something.



Majora said:
I'm so disillusioned and bored with the world right now NO joke I have started to consider Christianity. Would I even be welcome after all my atheist views? Probably not but I'm seriously considering it right now. I need something.


I can't speak for all the random Christian churches that pop up all across the nation, but I can tell you that one of Christianity's cornerstones is forgiveness. That means if you walk into a church and start asking questions and decide that you like what you hear all you have to do is genuinely ask for forgiveness and you're good to go. Contrary to general misconceptions of Christianity you can be a sinner and still be loved by God. That's kind of his thing.



ps3-sales! said:

Okay so I have a topic that I've been wondering recentley. Before I start, let me say that I am a Christian. I believe in my religion fully, but don't like to beat people down with bibles. I will share my beliefs however, as I also love to hear others share what others believe. In the end, I believe that my religion will get me into heaven, just as others believe theirs (unless atheist) will get them into heaven. So this isn't a thread to nessesarily debate your religious views. But because I'm talking about Adam and Eve, this is more of a Christian opinion. 

Okay. So I problem is figuring out the timeline of the Earth according to Christian beliefs. Obviously, we believe in creationism and not evolution. However, it is a fact that dinosaurs existed. With that said, when did they come into play? I'm not looking for years, because I don't believe that the Earth has been here for millions/billions of year, I'm just looking for a connection. According to Christians, Adam/Eve were the first people. They were born naked (in bible) and stood upright. But what about "cavemen"? And to my knowledge the animals in the bible were similar to the animals of today. But where were the dinosaurs? Did they exist in a different part of the world????

If your comment critizes my religious views without any good input, I have no problem reporting it and hopfully the mods take care of it. 

I'd love to hear your thoughts on this issue. Again let me stress that I really don't want this to turn into an argument. Just curious to see what everyone thinks about it. 

 

Before I comment, just a little disclaimer, I used to go to Church, in fact I used to lead the praise and worship band, but after my Dad had a stroke and Dementia and then passed away, I had serious doubts if God actually existed.  As time has passed since my Dad died, I'm now kinda neutral, I mean I'm undecided.

 

Okay, now back to the topic, I'm not sure if the events in the Bible can be taken literally in terms of time scale.  Also, maybe God created evolution to test a person's faith....who knows really?



dsgrue3 said:
green_sky said:
I don't know why the parables are taken so literally. There is immense wisdom to be found in all religions but over time the message just get polluted and depends on each person's intellect and intelligence to understand that. If you tell someone to pass a message to someone and so on and on. By the time it reaches 100 people it is nothing like the original message.

You have go deep in meditation and prayer to understand and feel one with these things. They are not mathematical in the sense that once you know the formula you can solve the question. Life is ever changing flux and brings new questions everyday.

There are more intellect based mystics for people who are not comfortable with prayer based religions. Buddha original message, Tantra's 112 meditations and Golden verses of Pythagoras. Yes the Pythagorean theorem Pythagoras. He was a great mystic but because of his hobby of mathematics he is mostly known for that.

I don't post much in these discussions as despite the good intentions not much good comes out of them. Same with never ending debates of theologicians. They debate and focus on trying to win the arguments but never on the inner fulfillment of one's inner soul.

Pray/meditate on these scriptures. There are many paths to God or ultimate salvation, clarity, Nirvana etc.

Love and Peace.


This entire post is nothing but fluff. Not an ounce of effort to attempt to answer the OP in any way. Astonishing how blissfully ignorant some people are.


^^^ This lol

Half of the posters tried to actually answer my question, the other half decided to rant on their beliefs and why mine was stupid XD

Anyway, this actually turned into a decent discussion. Learned from a lot of different opinions and was genually surprised.



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Majora said:
I'm so disillusioned and bored with the world right now NO joke I have started to consider Christianity. Would I even be welcome after all my atheist views? Probably not but I'm seriously considering it right now. I need something.


Well, my opinion on your question is why not? Personally I never understood the point of being an atheist. If there was a chance of there being an afterlife, why wouldn't you choose a religion to follow? Doesn't make much sense to me. Many atheists believe in hell so I guess they assume they'll go there anyway? Idk. But I digress....

Anyway, you could start by talking to a family member that is a Christian or going to a local church and sitting down with a pastor. They are VERY easy to talk to and if anything are great therapists hah. 
Christianity is just very easy to follow (no mecca trips involved :) and I recommend it not only to those seeking to believe in the spirtual side, but also the psychological side.

If anything just pray by yourself and see what happens. I feel like praying has helped guide me, so maybe it could help you too.



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