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dahuman said:
Dr.Grass said:
dahuman said:
Dr.Grass said:
dahuman said:
Some people just have too much time on their hands, if he grew up hungry as shit then he'll eat whatever he can get his hands on including all the meats! :) I'm also pro-cannibalism if we have nothing left to eat for survival for as long as it's fully cooked. The problem is also if all we eat only plants and don't touch animals, we'd run into another problem which would result in overall lower vegetation on the planet which would fuck our human eco system which would end result in pro-hunting and meat eating lol. I think we have a pretty good balance so far.

You'll also excuse me if I don't care about cows being raped by metal insertions if it gives people jobs and give grown ups something to drink since we don't exactly want to suck on our women's tits after they got a baby in them, goat milk is better than cow milk BTW, we should just go that route in the masses IMO.


Are you people really that poorly informed!?

I CAN LIVE ALL YEAR ROUND on 10 square meters of land!

DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY RESOURCES A SINGLE KG OF STEAK REQUIRES!!?

(I'm screaming because you wouldn't hear me otherwise)


I'm so happy for you that you live at a place where weather conditions or poor harvest doesn't effect you, just because you stopped eating meat, it won't change that humans will still need to develope and expand, and I'm pretty sure nobody herds for charity, animals will still die as we expand into their territories in great numbers, 8 billion and still increasing, moving right along. :)

Oh how I wish I could debate a person like you in a public forum. Oh for the days of yonder.

I suppose I will take my mind elsewhere. Least persons like you shit all over it with your philosophy of selfness. It is a very sad predicament indeed when a person isn't able to distance his own actions from the philosophy behind them.

No one believes they are conditioned. That sentance rings with a resonant truth.


You clearly just have as much ego as I do, just on different sides of the fence, if it makes your feel superior and better than me, so be it, but if the world goes to shit in our life time, you will be among the first to go out of natural selection, you can mark my words on it.


A few comments:

1) You should think carefully when designating someone as a person with a lot of ego.

2) I don't think you understand natural selection; You can't die because of natural selection except perhaps if you are genetically weaker than the average entity in your gene pool. Considering the vast expanses of time this requires to happen, the stability of the human gene pool at present, and my life predicament as of now, I'm certainly not a straggler as you implicitly suggest.

3) You are stating that person who is (as I am) gradually practicing self-sustenance by growing their own food, stocking up on grains, catching rain-water and generating their own electricity is MORE likely to perish in the face of a world calamity than the average Joe who chomps down McD's a few times a week, is totally dependent on the frail infrastructure of his nation, and can't even grow some friggin' peas!?

4) You're circling the drain and aiming for a low blow, subconsciously hoping that somone here will empathize with you, and in so doing give you the useless support that's required to embarrass someone in a forum like this. Sad thing is that it could actually happen.



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zero129 said:

Well im happy you atleast know most of what your eating has a consciousness so thats a +.

As for the sharks, Like you said they have been build purly to hunt. Just cos some of them eat their young doesnt mean they cant think etc its just in their nature, like some pregnent human woman eat strange shit (True not as strange as eating one of your own young but we cant judge another species doing we can only judge our own). Plus i have giving prove if you look back a few posts and read the links i posted you will see that.


It's quite pathetic when someone uses the fact that a particular animal engages in some activity to somehow justify human activity. Of course that's just happening indirectly here; He's actually trying to indicate some truth about the animals consciousness (or lack thereof) by his behaviour.

Clearly this topic hasn't been pondered before.

A little thought will reveal that a baby is consciouss, yet has almost zero ability to discriminate between the proper and improper consequences of his actions. We conclude that all consciouss beings aren't required to act on the same principles. Therefore the fact that the shark is hardwired to be a killing maching does most certainly not indicate a lack of consciousness.

 

You see, the shark sees.

You hear, the shark hears.

You smell, sharks smell.

You taste, sharks taste.

You feel, sharks feel.

You think, the shark thinks.

Now you want to exclude self-perception from the shark!? YOU DAMN FOOL.



zero129 said:
Porcupine_I said:
zero129 said:
the2real4mafol said:
Porcupine_I said:
zero129 said:
Max King of the Wild said:
zero129 said:
NobleTeam360 said:
zero129 said:
NobleTeam360 said:
Ultr said:
 

 

 

 

 

This is a fact. Show me a video of 1 cow being lead to its death and going willingly..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NV-0rTaJiWw&feature=youtube_gdata_player

It wouldn't go, if it weren't tasered to start with. 

This +10,000

you wanted to see a video of a cow that is led to its dead and i provided you with one. it goes willingly, it is not being tasered, it is gently pushed and just walks along willingly, it is not in panic and obviously does not realize what happens to it.

could it be that you have not even watched the video?

 

So once they close the bars on its head to lock it into place before they kill it is it not trying to pull its head back out?. If you where being walked down a hall by a bunch of people and you didnt know what for wouldnt you go? even if you had a bad feeling? i mean what if they was going to free you?.

Anyway not all the killing houses are like the ones in your vid, but i bet 70-80% if not more are like the ones in my videos

you could also say: ok, i was wrong about the kicking and screaming.

but you wouldn't do that, would you?



“It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grams a week. And only yesterday, he reflected, it had been announced that the ration was to be reduced to twenty grams a week. Was it possible that they could swallow that, after only twenty-four hours? Yes, they swallowed it.”

- George Orwell, ‘1984’

Porcupine_I said:
zero129 said:
Porcupine_I said:
zero129 said:
the2real4mafol said:
Porcupine_I said:
zero129 said:
Max King of the Wild said:
zero129 said:
NobleTeam360 said:
zero129 said:
NobleTeam360 said:
Ultr said:
 

 

 

 

 

This is a fact. Show me a video of 1 cow being lead to its death and going willingly..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NV-0rTaJiWw&feature=youtube_gdata_player

It wouldn't go, if it weren't tasered to start with. 

This +10,000

you wanted to see a video of a cow that is led to its dead and i provided you with one. it goes willingly, it is not being tasered, it is gently pushed and just walks along willingly, it is not in panic and obviously does not realize what happens to it.

could it be that you have not even watched the video?

 

So once they close the bars on its head to lock it into place before they kill it is it not trying to pull its head back out?. If you where being walked down a hall by a bunch of people and you didnt know what for wouldnt you go? even if you had a bad feeling? i mean what if they was going to free you?.

Anyway not all the killing houses are like the ones in your vid, but i bet 70-80% if not more are like the ones in my videos

you could also say: ok, i was wrong about the kicking and screaming.

but you wouldn't do that, would you?

exactly why i stopped responding. like arguing with a brick wall... but this one doesn't see how hes hypocritical and wrong and uses falcies in his arguments then says "prove me wrong"



Max King of the Wild said:
Porcupine_I said:
zero129 said:
Porcupine_I said:
zero129 said:
the2real4mafol said:
Porcupine_I said:
zero129 said:
Max King of the Wild said:
zero129 said:
NobleTeam360 said:
zero129 said:
NobleTeam360 said:
Ultr said:
 

 

 

 

 

This is a fact. Show me a video of 1 cow being lead to its death and going willingly..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NV-0rTaJiWw&feature=youtube_gdata_player

It wouldn't go, if it weren't tasered to start with. 

This +10,000

you wanted to see a video of a cow that is led to its dead and i provided you with one. it goes willingly, it is not being tasered, it is gently pushed and just walks along willingly, it is not in panic and obviously does not realize what happens to it.

could it be that you have not even watched the video?

 

So once they close the bars on its head to lock it into place before they kill it is it not trying to pull its head back out?. If you where being walked down a hall by a bunch of people and you didnt know what for wouldnt you go? even if you had a bad feeling? i mean what if they was going to free you?.

Anyway not all the killing houses are like the ones in your vid, but i bet 70-80% if not more are like the ones in my videos

you could also say: ok, i was wrong about the kicking and screaming.

but you wouldn't do that, would you?

exactly why i stopped responding. like arguing with a brick wall... but this one doesn't see how hes hypocritical and wrong and uses falcies in his arguments then says "prove me wrong"

it's sad, really, because people acting that way don't realize they are hurting their cause more then they help it, regardless which side they are on.



“It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grams a week. And only yesterday, he reflected, it had been announced that the ration was to be reduced to twenty grams a week. Was it possible that they could swallow that, after only twenty-four hours? Yes, they swallowed it.”

- George Orwell, ‘1984’

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zero129 said:
Porcupine_I said:
zero129 said:
Porcupine_I said:
zero129 said:
the2real4mafol said:
Porcupine_I said:
zero129 said:
Max King of the Wild said:
zero129 said:
NobleTeam360 said:
zero129 said:
NobleTeam360 said:
Ultr said:
 

 

 

 

 

This is a fact. Show me a video of 1 cow being lead to its death and going willingly..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NV-0rTaJiWw&feature=youtube_gdata_player

It wouldn't go, if it weren't tasered to start with. 

This +10,000

you wanted to see a video of a cow that is led to its dead and i provided you with one. it goes willingly, it is not being tasered, it is gently pushed and just walks along willingly, it is not in panic and obviously does not realize what happens to it.

could it be that you have not even watched the video?

 

So once they close the bars on its head to lock it into place before they kill it is it not trying to pull its head back out?. If you where being walked down a hall by a bunch of people and you didnt know what for wouldnt you go? even if you had a bad feeling? i mean what if they was going to free you?.

Anyway not all the killing houses are like the ones in your vid, but i bet 70-80% if not more are like the ones in my videos

you could also say: ok, i was wrong about the kicking and screaming.

but you wouldn't do that, would you?

No i wouldnt do that cos if you seen most of the other videos you will see they are not all as "Clean" looking as your video.

i know that. it is you who didnt seem to know there are other ways.



“It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grams a week. And only yesterday, he reflected, it had been announced that the ration was to be reduced to twenty grams a week. Was it possible that they could swallow that, after only twenty-four hours? Yes, they swallowed it.”

- George Orwell, ‘1984’

Porcupine_I said:
Max King of the Wild said:
Porcupine_I said:
zero129 said:
Porcupine_I said:
zero129 said:
the2real4mafol said:
Porcupine_I said:
zero129 said:
Max King of the Wild said:
zero129 said:
NobleTeam360 said:
zero129 said:
NobleTeam360 said:
Ultr said:
 

 

 

 

 

This is a fact. Show me a video of 1 cow being lead to its death and going willingly..

 

 

 

 

 

you could also say: ok, i was wrong about the kicking and screaming.

but you wouldn't do that, would you?

exactly why i stopped responding. like arguing with a brick wall... but this one doesn't see how hes hypocritical and wrong and uses falcies in his arguments then says "prove me wrong"

it's sad, really, because people acting that way don't realize they are hurting their cause more then they help it, regardless which side they are on.

I knew what this threaad would be once i heard the guy in the video say meat was an addiction. However, id stiill had hope the OP didn't completely buy into the bullshit. I was wrong and the OP is just closeminded now without listening to anything other than the propaganda animal rights activists spew



 

 

 

 

This is a fact. Show me a video of 1 cow being lead to its death and going willingly..

 

 

 

 

 

you could also say: ok, i was wrong about the kicking and screaming.

but you wouldn't do that, would you?

exactly why i stopped responding. like arguing with a brick wall... but this one doesn't see how hes hypocritical and wrong and uses falcies in his arguments then says "prove me wrong"

it's sad, really, because people acting that way don't realize they are hurting their cause more then they help it, regardless which side they are on.

I knew what this threaad would be once i heard the guy in the video say meat was an addiction. However, id stiill had hope the OP didn't completely buy into the bullshit. I was wrong and the OP is just closeminded now without listening to anything other than the propaganda animal rights activists spew

yeah, the biggest problem is that they equal eating meat with animal cruelty to randomly accuse everyone. achievement? none whatsoever apart from making them feel better about themselves. 



“It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grams a week. And only yesterday, he reflected, it had been announced that the ration was to be reduced to twenty grams a week. Was it possible that they could swallow that, after only twenty-four hours? Yes, they swallowed it.”

- George Orwell, ‘1984’

Hahahaha Dr Grass, nice bit of brain washing you've succumbed to if you actually believe that crap. A shark doesn't have self consciousness and you cannot prove me wrong. Its the exact same argument you and Zero have used for this entire thread.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, this thread highlights why people screaming meat eaters are wrong will never be listened to. You're fanatical, illogical and in some cases blatantly wrong and ignorant of the facts if they don't suit your cause.

 

I've shown you why a shark doesn't have self consciousness, you didn't prove the opposite before you stated high fiving each other.  Show me the behaviour a shark exhibits that demonstrates its self consciousness.  Zero made the claim originally and hasnt provided any proof at all.  



slowmo said:

Hahahaha Dr Grass, nice bit of brain washing you've succumbed to if you actually believe that crap. A shark doesn't have self consciousness and you cannot prove me wrong. Its the exact same argument you and Zero have used for this entire thread.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, this thread highlights why people screaming meat eaters are wrong will never be listened to. You're fanatical, illogical and in some cases blatantly wrong and ignorant of the facts if they don't suit your cause.

 

I've shown you why a shark doesn't have self consciousness, you didn't prove the opposite before you stated high fiving each other.  Show me the behaviour a shark exhibits that demonstrates its self consciousness.  Zero made the claim originally and hasnt provided any proof at all.  


I think the "High fiving" over the unproved point isn't the main issue in this thread at all, I think the faux enlightened hate speech tho is, you can wrap up your posts in any manner of wording you like DrGrass all you've done throughout this whole thread is insult people who are having a disscussion and in one instance straight up threaten someone for countering an "argument" of yours, It's horrible to see and nothing else.

Regardless of what message anyone tries to convey if you do it wrapped in such spite and hatred of others you only do damage to your image and to your argument, before you click submit on your next reply on the 4th or whenever you are allowed to do so, just read over the post yourself, surely you have the enlightened intellect to know if what you are about to reply with is aiming to convey a message, or insult the person you are talking to.



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