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zero129 said:
outlawauron said:
zero129 said:
Max King of the Wild said:
zero129 said:
dahuman said:
Max King of the Wild said:
sorry wildebeast

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OR4tSA5KAFA


I like how the description is all like "stress again the cruelty of hyenas" when I was all like "this shit is awesome and that's smart as hell!"

If you where watching that video and replace the animal that gets its baby ripped out from its insides with someone you care about or your own pet if you have one? (Cant really see you being a pet owner anyways but id like to know?) would you still think it was so cool?.

If you was walking down the street with your pregnant gf and a bunch of men came over and cut her open started to eat at her and then cut her baby out of her womb and carried it away would you think it was so cool?.



there you go with those fallacies again...

You said this twice without explaining why this time id like you to explain..

I'm alarmed that you don't know what a fallacy is. You're abusing them in your 'argument'.

I dont see how i was

Rather than arguing for the subject, you distract from it and make bad anologies, appeals to emotion (despite how irrelevant and unrealistic they are), using red herring and straw man.



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http://youtu.be/yaWajdBEuy8

You will see at 3:18 the cattle lined up. If you pause it, you will see I am traveling up a walkway leading up to a door. While shooting the next shot at 3:21, I am standing just inside that door. There is nothing in between that is missed.

Also I might ad that there was no "coveryor belt" that you mentioned in your comment. The cattle walk up the ramp unassisted.



It would be very very hard to kill 1,000 cows that weighing half a ton kicking and screaming the whole time in a day



zero129 said:
Max King of the Wild said:
zero129 said:
Max King of the Wild said:
zero129 said:
NobleTeam360 said:
zero129 said:
NobleTeam360 said:
Ultr said:
 

 

 

 

 

How exactly would you expect them to escape or get out?. You ever see cows and that when being lead to their death. Trust me if you did you would know they kick and screem the whole way down cos they know their time is up.


You really make bold unsubstantiated claims. You sound like the extreamist in the video. He really brainwashed you and planted those buzz words deep in your head

This is a fact. Show me a video of 1 cow being lead to its death and going willingly..

Provide me with a video of every cow who gets killed by the hands of a human

i asked you for 1 video. if i am lying it shouldnt be hard for you to find a video. Fact is every video you look at will show you the same thing the cow trying its best to get away..


It really makes no difference TBH, there are many different ways to slaughter an animal for us to eat, you will find some really ghetto ones but also clean ones where they stun the animals first to block out pain. The key part is not even if they die or not, people that give a shit need to go do voluntary work in 3rd world countries helping other humans instead of bitching about animals being killed, the key part is how sanitary the people at the slaughter houses are and how clean the facility is. Trying to use human analogy on other species that we can potentially eat makes no sense, what we should care about is how clean the process is so we don't catch shit like the mad cow disease that melts our brains in like 20 years.



zero129 said:
Max King of the Wild said:
zero129 said:
Max King of the Wild said:
zero129 said:
NobleTeam360 said:
zero129 said:
NobleTeam360 said:
Ultr said:
 

 

 

 

 

How exactly would you expect them to escape or get out?. You ever see cows and that when being lead to their death. Trust me if you did you would know they kick and screem the whole way down cos they know their time is up.


You really make bold unsubstantiated claims. You sound like the extreamist in the video. He really brainwashed you and planted those buzz words deep in your head

This is a fact. Show me a video of 1 cow being lead to its death and going willingly..

Provide me with a video of every cow who gets killed by the hands of a human

i asked you for 1 video. if i am lying it shouldnt be hard for you to find a video. Fact is every video you look at will show you the same thing the cow trying its best to get away..


Wrong, just check out Max King of the Wild's video. 



NobleTeam360 said:
zero129 said:
Max King of the Wild said:
zero129 said:
Max King of the Wild said:
zero129 said:
NobleTeam360 said:
zero129 said:
NobleTeam360 said:
Ultr said:
 

 

 

 

 

How exactly would you expect them to escape or get out?. You ever see cows and that when being lead to their death. Trust me if you did you would know they kick and screem the whole way down cos they know their time is up.


You really make bold unsubstantiated claims. You sound like the extreamist in the video. He really brainwashed you and planted those buzz words deep in your head

This is a fact. Show me a video of 1 cow being lead to its death and going willingly..

Provide me with a video of every cow who gets killed by the hands of a human

i asked you for 1 video. if i am lying it shouldnt be hard for you to find a video. Fact is every video you look at will show you the same thing the cow trying its best to get away..


Wrong, just check out Max King of the Wild's video. 



I was to lazy to even look before until he said it was a fact. From the video I posted I see cows walking up to their death voluntarily, locked in cage letting themselves get hosed down, and walking through a hall to their death. Funny thin is that it took 10 second google search of "slaughterhouse process" and it was the first video I watched



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By the way. You cant eat any gelatin because thats made from cow hooves. Gelatin is in almost all chewy candy.



zero129 said:
NobleTeam360 said:
zero129 said:
Max King of the Wild said:
zero129 said:
Max King of the Wild said:
zero129 said:
NobleTeam360 said:
zero129 said:
NobleTeam360 said:
Ultr said:
 

 

 

 

 

How exactly would you expect them to escape or get out?. You ever see cows and that when being lead to their death. Trust me if you did you would know they kick and screem the whole way down cos they know their time is up.


You really make bold unsubstantiated claims. You sound like the extreamist in the video. He really brainwashed you and planted those buzz words deep in your head

This is a fact. Show me a video of 1 cow being lead to its death and going willingly..

Provide me with a video of every cow who gets killed by the hands of a human

i asked you for 1 video. if i am lying it shouldnt be hard for you to find a video. Fact is every video you look at will show you the same thing the cow trying its best to get away..


Wrong, just check out Max King of the Wild's video. 

You think a propaganda video thats made by a huge slaughter house is going to show you the truth? clearly they are going to make the process look as clean and nice as possible.

Just as animal rights activists are going to make it look as gory as possible/only show the slaughterhouses with the worst conditions. Both will try to manipulate you with their videos.



zero129 said:

Now thats propaganda. They dont even show the cows before their death only up to the stun part.

Watch the sheep from 0:31 secs in one of them is trying his best to get away after the other one is killed.

The is lots more videos like this. Raw Leaked footage unlike the Propaganda you showed, thats clearly not going to show you this shit as its made by the people that are doing this themselfs. i dont think as many people would like what they see if they seen the truth.



They show you everything from the delivery truck to the packaging. You just have selective eye sight. And you just asked for 1 video. I provided it to you. But hey keep on keeping on and listening to the dumb ass liar in your first post. You talk about propaganda? what do you think is in the video you linked?

As for the sheep, of course its from the other sheep dying right? not because of the loud clanking and clamor. Just another fallacy to throw around



zero129 said:
Max King of the Wild said:
zero129 said:

Now thats propaganda. They dont even show the cows before their death only up to the stun part.

Watch the sheep from 0:31 secs in one of them is trying his best to get away after the other one is killed.

The is lots more videos like this. Raw Leaked footage unlike the Propaganda you showed, thats clearly not going to show you this shit as its made by the people that are doing this themselfs. i dont think as many people would like what they see if they seen the truth.



They show you everything from the delivery truck to the packaging. You just have selective eye sight. And you just asked for 1 video. I provided it to you. But hey keep on keeping on and listening to the dumb ass liar in your first post. You talk about propaganda? what do you think is in the video you linked?

As for the sheep, of course its from the other sheep dying right? not because of the loud clanking and clamor. Just another fallacy to throw around

 it shows the truth.

The the underlined: Yes watch the rest of the video and you will see how some of the animals are ok until they start seeing the others getting killed then they start trying to get away cos they know whats coming.

YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH!

Lol no, it really doesn't show you the truth. Its a propaganda campaign by people like PETA who compile video that THEY want you to see. Being that they are  tree hugging hippies they want you to see the bad parts



zero129 said:
Max King of the Wild said:

http://youtu.be/yaWajdBEuy8

You will see at 3:18 the cattle lined up. If you pause it, you will see I am traveling up a walkway leading up to a door. While shooting the next shot at 3:21, I am standing just inside that door. There is nothing in between that is missed.

Also I might ad that there was no "coveryor belt" that you mentioned in your comment. The cattle walk up the ramp unassisted.



It would be very very hard to kill 1,000 cows that weighing half a ton kicking and screaming the whole time in a day

Now thats propaganda. They dont even show the cows before their death only up to the stun part.

Watch the sheep from 0:31 secs in one of them is trying his best to get away after the other one is killed.

The is lots more videos like this. Raw Leaked footage unlike the Propaganda you showed, thats clearly not going to show you this shit as its made by the people that are doing this themselfs. i dont think as many people would like what they see if they seen the truth.


I think you are just in the shock phase of the original video, that is nothing new, they get stunned, then hung up, then cut around the throat area to get the blood out beofre going to the next steps, the kills in the video you posted is actually pretty clean unlike some of the ghetto ones I've seen. I mean, there are also ones for pigs where they get stunned and drained then are put into a water boiler device so they can remove the fur on the skin. I don't see how any of it being a problem when we run machines down wheat fields that chops the fucking shit out of those plants.