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Ultr said:
VGKing said:
Meat contains vital vitamins and stuff that we need to keep healthy. This is why vegetarians needs to find another way of getting these vitamins by taking pills or something.

If you need the takin of pills, there is probably something wrong with what you eat.

YOU will to actually think about what you eat, and what you take to you. But this is something EVERYONE should do! Think about everything you do, we have the ability.

"Most people think vegans and vegetarians need to worry about protein. In reality, a healthy vegan/vegetarian who eats plenty of fruits, vegetables legumes (beans, peas, etc.), and whole grains, gets plenty of protein. What we do need to be concerned about is getting enough vitamin B12, iron, and omega 3. To make sure you're getting plenty of these, eat fortified foods (like cereals), take vitamins/supplements (like a decent multivitamin), and be sure to eat foods and oils (like olive oil, canola oil, and especially flaxseeds or flaxseed oil) that are high in essential fatty acids."

http://www.veghealthguide.com/vitamins-minerals/

See? They still need to take them. Thanks for proving me right.



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zero129 said:
betacon said:
zero129 said:
 

Watch the Video. as your a putting out a lot of mis info such as Vegans being weak etc etc.

You believe everything he said? I’ve seen less propaganda in a nazi poste. Nothing but half truths to match what he wants to get cross.

 


Care to show the points he was wrong on with valid reasons as to why he was wrong and its Propaganda? k thanks.

Human intestines may not be as short as strictly meat eaters as he quite clearly said, but its equal not a vegetarian build, its something called middle ground you know like omnivores. Humans like other meat eaters are scavengers rather than hunters, not all meat eaters eat everything from a carcass, Even saying that there’s not many parts of an animal humans don’t eat. We were once  vegetarians but we evolved, we are “homo sapiens” we do it meat, our teeth the position of our eyes are the indicators of a predator.  Let’s get more to the bottom of it he tries to humanize everything, morality my dear friend is a human concept other animals do not apply this. I’ll ask you a question if a species was born to feed of human meat are the wrong/evil to exist? There’s a clear cut difference between animal abuse and eating meat, he claims the world evil steams from this, so it’s impossible for a vegetarian kill murder and to do bad, to be racist?   He also used religion “a belief” to back up his opinion which is also another “belief” funny that. “I SHALL NOT KILL” would imply we’re no better than animals if you want to use animals to fit in with that line, however he also says we’re in the 21 century “we’re above that” ( referring to cruelty).. how can that be either we’re above animals or we’re equal, if we’re above then killing an animal’s isn’t the same as taken a human life or if we’re equal then there should be a problem.



Fuck this guy. A great way to invalidate your point is to compare anything to the holocaust. Its as bad as comparing someone to Hitler. I only watched 30 minutes of the video but he seems to pull many of the same PETA arguments you have heard 1000 times before. This guy seems like he hit the jackpot getting paid to travel the country and spout typical vegan talk while banging naive college chicks.

Personally I dont give a shit about how animals bred for food are being processed into food. Im all for eating any animal that in in abundance including dogs, cats, rats, possum or any other unorthodox meat if it tastes good. Vegan food is shit and cheese is one of the greatest things ever.



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CDiablo said:
Fuck this guy. A great way to invalidate your point is to compare anything to the holocaust. Its as bad as comparing someone to Hitler. I only watched 30 minutes of the video but he seems to pull many of the same PETA arguments you have heard 1000 times before. This guy seems like he hit the jackpot getting paid to travel the country and spout typical vegan talk while banging naive college chicks.

Personally I dont give a shit about how animals bred for food are being processed into food. Im all for eating any animal that in in abundance including dogs, cats, rats, possum or any other unorthodox meat if it tastes good. Vegan food is shit and cheese is one of the greatest things ever.



He was actually in massive debt at one point (30k in credit cards). He also talks in high schools. And you lasted far longer than i did. I got to the part where he said meat was an addiction.



Back in high school when I did track, I saw this underclass man kid whose mom forced him to be a vegan, I felt really sorry for him because we were both distance runners but he was never able to keep up with the rest of the team and was pretty much a stick figure for a couple of years until I graduated, I went back to visit teachers and friends when I went home from college and that shit did not improve. He was really very weak compared to the kids who had more balanced and healthy diets that didn't require supplements. My conclusion so far is that not everybody can be a vegan, it might work out for some people but not others and definitely not that kid. You won't be healthy by just being a vegan, you need to pay attention to how your body reacts to different foods. I can never be a vegan because I have a natural slim build, and if I don't eat meat, my muscles will go away no matter how much supplement I take in.

As far as animal cruelty goes, I personally don't like it, but they are properties, they are not free if they are owned, and I doubt we'll see a cow holding a cow gun to shoot at people any time soon.



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CDiablo said:
Fuck this guy. A great way to invalidate your point is to compare anything to the holocaust. Its as bad as comparing someone to Hitler. I only watched 30 minutes of the video but he seems to pull many of the same PETA arguments you have heard 1000 times before. This guy seems like he hit the jackpot getting paid to travel the country and spout typical vegan talk while banging naive college chicks.

Personally I dont give a shit about how animals bred for food are being processed into food. Im all for eating any animal that in in abundance including dogs, cats, rats, possum or any other unorthodox meat if it tastes good. Vegan food is shit and cheese is one of the greatest things ever.

Using the Holocaust as a comparison to animals is a massive insult to the actual human beings who lived through those atrocites.



In answer to the original question, I don't 'need' to kill animals, because they're already dead and sitting on store shelves. I feel that it is my moral duty to make sure they didn't die in vain, so I eat them.



Cobretti2 said:
snowdog said:
I stopped watching as soon as he mentioned religion. The bloke is a fool. We are natural omnivores, not herbivores. We've got canines for a reason. If we were natural herbivores we wouldn't have them, it's as simple as that. And if Mother Nature has given us the equipment to eat meat then we should do so.

And have you seen the state of the majority of vegans, they tend to look like death warmed up lol.

I'm also in favour of animal testing for medicene because I'd be dead without it. He's quite right to complain about animal testing for other purposes such as cosmetics etc though.

watch the video he explains that.

mother nature also gaves us an appendix but we can live without it, one of those organs that has no function anymore due to evolution.

And how about the fact that the majority of monkeys and apes are omnivores..? If I remember correctly there are only a couple of primates that are herbivores. Most primates (including us) naturally eat meat and vegetable matter. Most of them eat fish, insects and sometimes each other.

The man is a fool.



zero129 said:
NobleTeam360 said:
Ultr said:
NobleTeam360 said:
Why is killing animals for sustenance a big issue? As long as Humanity has been on Earth we have hunted and killed animals it's never going to change so this issue is really a non issue.

Did you kill the last animal that you have eaten? Did Homo neanderthalensis start Animal-Slavery?

I dont see what you are trying to say. 

The human beeing started as a planteater. We should still eat plants. A non issue. yes


No but they still hunted and killed animals. Slavery you say? what is classified as slavery when a animal lacks the ability to reason?

How would you understand if an animal was even trying to reason with you? Its not like we can understand what they are saying or thinking. Would them waggling their tail?, trying to push at you?, trying to run from you? be an animal trying to reason with you or at least communicate somehow?.

Go look at a sluaghterhouse and see if the animals are trying to get out. They are just sitting their awaiting their fate. 



As an Animal Scientist I find this topic to be bewildering. Humans are the only species to decline willingly their place in the food chain. I have "harvested" many animals for food and find that humans (at least in the US) are the only ones who do it in the most humane ways possible. Not only is it good for the animal, but also helps with the meat's quality.

Proteins in animal fat has been proven to be a key part of young people's brain development which is necessary for healty development.

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