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the_dengle said:
outlawauron said:
the_dengle said:

Nintendo does not pay for exclusives. They have stated multiple times that they are strongly against that as a business practice. They instead make "deals" with third parties that are advantageous for both companies, including allowing third parties to use their IP in exchange for exclusive games.

That is not the case with Monster Hunter. Capcom recognized that the 3DS was more of a sure-fire success than the Vita. They probably opted to 'wait and see' with the Vita, and now see that making a Monster Hunter title for the platform would not be financially beneficial to them. They chose the console with the (much) larger install base, so they can sell their games to a larger pool of customers.

Look at this kid! I'm shocked that anyone would actually listen to what a corporation says about these things. No company has officially said they pay for exclusives or exclusive content. It just all happens or its some type of partnership. To say that Nintendo doesn't spend their money on getting 3rd parties to develop games, you're crazy.

It's not even a matter of whether or not they would do it. The fact is that a company like Nintendo can't possibly outbid a monstrously large company like Microsoft. It's just not real.

The evidence is plain to see. How did Nintendo get Viewtiful Joe? They didn't throw money at Capcom. They threw Zelda at Capcom -- and the result was Four Swords and The Minish Cap. How did Nintendo get Sonic in Smash Bros? They let Sega use Mario in Sonic & Mario at the Olympic Games.

How do you think Microsoft gets timed exclusive DLC content for CoD? What's stopping Sony and Nintendo from getting it just as early? The money. Sony can't compete with Microsoft's money, and Nintendo can't compete with either company's money. It would be pointless for them to try to "buy" exclusives with cold hard cash, because Sony and Microsoft could outbid them at every turn.

What about all of the great indie content the Wii U has been getting on the eShop? Surely Nintendo is paying those developers cash money to make their games... nope, as it turns out, Nintendo has just made a very indie developer-friendly online network.

Oh, I know, Nintendo threw money at Platinum to get Bayonetta 2 as an exclusive, right? Well, yes and no. Nintendo is paying for the game's development, so they get publishing credits; it's not some shady backroom deal meant to keep the game off Sony and Microsoft's consoles, but a completely transparent move to provide funding no one else was willing to provide to a smaller studio. It's the difference between bribing the publisher and being the publisher.

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jonnybmk said:
ethomaz said:

jonnybmk said:

No offense, dude, but it's like I said in one of your other threads.

Brazil is irrelevant. There's the USA ( a county), Japan ( a country), and Europe ( a CONTINENT).

How is a South American country even in the conversation?

No offense...

Well you just need to review your concepts... it's not me but all the biggest game company that thinks Brazil is relevant.

Capcom "In 2011, Brazil surpassed Canada as our number two territory behind the US."

The predictions for 2016 is to Brazil becamo one of the biggest videogame maket in the world (today it is just 4th).

LOL!

At best that "article" is satire.

Listen, I'm all for national pride. But as it stands, your country is not relevant in any way in this type of discussion.

Yes. You have some hot women (even the hairy ones).

But that alone does NOT make Brazil relevant. Brazil is child's play, a second thought, a fleeting memory of old technology. You said yourself that the PS2 came to Brazil in 2009. Are you serious?! 2009?!

While the rest of us are looking forward to the REAL next generation, you are 2 generations behind.

So please. Take your nationalistic pride elsewhere and realize that the world turns just fine without Brazil. The USA is the decision maker and always will be. We don't need you. 

BRAZIL IS IRRELEVANT. (you do have hot women though)

Thanks!  :^)

~JonnyBMK

Jonny, please stop giving us Americans a bad name.

The way your post is worded makes it seem like you hold a grudge against the country or something.

And the little I know about it...200 million people, over 50% of the population is middle class, with gaming growing at very high rates every year, then it makes sense in a few years it´ll become a big market.That´s all there is to it.



JGarret said:

You must have misread him. His entire posts were "Brazil women", "Brazil women", "Brazil women", "Brazil women", ...



VGKing said:

I'm not mad bro, but Sony should be.
Capcom wouldn't do it willingly, Nintendo must be paying them. Maybe there's some form of next-gen timed-exclusive sort of thing? I just don't see why Capcom would willingly abandon a platform or company which made their IP such a phenomenon.

There should have at least been some Monster Hunter port from the PSP for the Vita....what the hell happened? I just don't think Sony will let Nintendo dominate. They have something up their sleeve to save the Vita in Japan.(I'm betting its a Monster Hunter)

You mean like how Monster Hunter Tri showed up on the Wii instead of the PS3?

Maybe it's the Nintendo dominating Japan sales factor.  

 

And are you implying that Sony will at some point pay off Capcom to get the MH franchise back on a Sony platform?  More specifically, how exactly do you see Sony convincing Capcom to jump ship from a 9 million install base (and growing rapidly) to a 1 million install base (growing slower than the Dreamcast)?



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jonnybmk said:
ethomaz said:

jonnybmk said:

No offense, dude, but it's like I said in one of your other threads.

Brazil is irrelevant. There's the USA ( a county), Japan ( a country), and Europe ( a CONTINENT).

How is a South American country even in the conversation?

No offense...

Well you just need to review your concepts... it's not me but all the biggest game company that thinks Brazil is relevant.

Capcom "In 2011, Brazil surpassed Canada as our number two territory behind the US."

The predictions for 2016 is to Brazil becamo one of the biggest videogame maket in the world (today it is just 4th).

LOL!

At best that "article" is satire.

Listen, I'm all for national pride. But as it stands, your country is not relevant in any way in this type of discussion.

Yes. You have some hot women (even the hairy ones).

But that alone does NOT make Brazil relevant. Brazil is child's play, a second thought, a fleeting memory of old technology. You said yourself that the PS2 came to Brazil in 2009. Are you serious?! 2009?!

While the rest of us are looking forward to the REAL next generation, you are 2 generations behind.

So please. Take your nationalistic pride elsewhere and realize that the world turns just fine without Brazil. The USA is the decision maker and always will be. We don't need you. 

BRAZIL IS IRRELEVANT. (you do have hot women though)

Thanks!  :^)

~JonnyBMK


This post is full of ignorance and prejudice. 



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Wii U third week is alright, but nothing special imo considering it's Christmas week. The Wii did 284k in comparison on the week ending Dec 24th (it's fourth week). Wii U is weirdly trending above the Wii though over its first 3 weeks, but that will change next week definitely. Anyways Wii U is doin decently, but January and February are vital to know where the Wii U is at



Really can't see how they can save the Vita now.



I agree that the Wii U will probably drop hard during the next two months but after what happened with Animal Crossing on 3DS I believe Nintendo can find another breakout hit to boost the Wii U when necessary. Also, I believe next Christmas will be brutal in Japan with Monster Hunter being moved closer to the holidays and probably even Smash Bros 3D, Zelda 3D or Pokemon 3D for the next holidays. I'm pretty sure next christmas Nintendo will go all out to prevent Sony and MS from getting any foothold in Japan.



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the_dengle said:
outlawauron said:
the_dengle said:

Nintendo does not pay for exclusives. They have stated multiple times that they are strongly against that as a business practice. They instead make "deals" with third parties that are advantageous for both companies, including allowing third parties to use their IP in exchange for exclusive games.

That is not the case with Monster Hunter. Capcom recognized that the 3DS was more of a sure-fire success than the Vita. They probably opted to 'wait and see' with the Vita, and now see that making a Monster Hunter title for the platform would not be financially beneficial to them. They chose the console with the (much) larger install base, so they can sell their games to a larger pool of customers.

Look at this kid! I'm shocked that anyone would actually listen to what a corporation says about these things. No company has officially said they pay for exclusives or exclusive content. It just all happens or its some type of partnership. To say that Nintendo doesn't spend their money on getting 3rd parties to develop games, you're crazy.

It's not even a matter of whether or not they would do it. The fact is that a company like Nintendo can't possibly outbid a monstrously large company like Microsoft. It's just not real.

The evidence is plain to see. How did Nintendo get Viewtiful Joe? They didn't throw money at Capcom. They threw Zelda at Capcom -- and the result was Four Swords and The Minish Cap. How did Nintendo get Sonic in Smash Bros? They let Sega use Mario in Sonic & Mario at the Olympic Games.

How do you think Microsoft gets timed exclusive DLC content for CoD? What's stopping Sony and Nintendo from getting it just as early? The money. Sony can't compete with Microsoft's money, and Nintendo can't compete with either company's money. It would be pointless for them to try to "buy" exclusives with cold hard cash, because Sony and Microsoft could outbid them at every turn.

What about all of the great indie content the Wii U has been getting on the eShop? Surely Nintendo is paying those developers cash money to make their games... nope, as it turns out, Nintendo has just made a very indie developer-friendly online network.

Oh, I know, Nintendo threw money at Platinum to get Bayonetta 2 as an exclusive, right? Well, yes and no. Nintendo is paying for the game's development, so they get publishing credits; it's not some shady backroom deal meant to keep the game off Sony and Microsoft's consoles, but a completely transparent move to provide funding no one else was willing to provide to a smaller studio. It's the difference between bribing the publisher and being the publisher.

Develolper friendly networks tend to mean that there are cash or other incentives for developing on their network. Sony set up the Pub Fund to help pay for the budgets of indie provided it sells a certain amount.

Please do not act like Nintendo is some small and meager company. They have far more cash than Sony does and are worth far more. They may not do the raw revenue numbers that the others do, but they certainly make more off their games than the others. Another fault you have is not considering the inclusion of characters and IPs part of payment. I'd say the inclusion of Mario in Sega's Olmypic Games series is far more valuable than if Nintendo funded it's entire development and advertising budget. The game wouldn't have sold without it.

Paying for a game is not a shady backroom deal. It's a business move that all three major console developers take part to guarantee games. While Nintendo was behind the 8-ball with the Wii, they're certainly doing it now. They somehow got exclusive content for Ninja Gaiden that will not be released on PS3 and 360. Now that Nintendo is finally embracing online, you will see it more and more. It's not bribing either. 3rd party publishers seek out these deals because their budgets are so large, it helps them have some guarantees. That's why there's exclusive DLC per console, why you have exclusive pre-order bonuses, etc. It's not shady, it's now an open business practice and you're sticking your head in the sand if you believe Nintendo is somehow above it.



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Viper1 said:
VGKing said:

I'm not mad bro, but Sony should be.
Capcom wouldn't do it willingly, Nintendo must be paying them. Maybe there's some form of next-gen timed-exclusive sort of thing? I just don't see why Capcom would willingly abandon a platform or company which made their IP such a phenomenon.

There should have at least been some Monster Hunter port from the PSP for the Vita....what the hell happened? I just don't think Sony will let Nintendo dominate. They have something up their sleeve to save the Vita in Japan.(I'm betting its a Monster Hunter)

You mean like how Monster Hunter Tri showed up on the Wii instead of the PS3?

Maybe it's the Nintendo dominating Japan sales factor.  

 

And are you implying that Sony will at some point pay off Capcom to get the MH franchise back on a Sony platform?  More specifically, how exactly do you see Sony convincing Capcom to jump ship from a 9 million install base (and growing rapidly) to a 1 million install base (growing slower than the Dreamcast)?

A real, new MH will do fantastic regardless of the platform its released on.



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And snuggle the girls be they short or tall,
Then follow young Mat whenever he calls,
To dance with Jak o' the Shadows."

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