As I've said before I wanted to avoid this converstation.  You have already made up your mind before either console has been announced so I don't feel like explaining all of this.  Sony has been diminishing for some time now as shown with the Vita.  People are no longer just going to buy playstation because it has playstation slapped on their.  Your PS4 and neXbox predictions are nothing at the moment because we dont know what either is doing.  You say sony has adapted but they have yet to prove that either looking at the vita once again.  And then you act like MSFT can't adapt as if they havent been in a business for decades.  In fact they took Sony head on head this generation and then you say it was spotted sales. I guess that is why MSFT sells more software than sony? No people bought it because they wanted it. In fact I bet you predicted the PS3 to dominate based on last generation huh?  Now how did that prediction turn out?

BTW Journey was not created by sony, it was published.  Their is a big difference from publishing a game and creating a game.  So don't credit Sony for something they did not do.  That should be credited to ThatGameCompany.

Way to go into hasty conclusions. Microsoft's strategy did well in this generation. However, most likely it'll only do well in this generation. It is unlikely that the same strategy will work next gen due to Sony adopting a much different strategy next gen.

"What has Sony brought new?" Why would you ask a question like that when the answer is so obvious? You asked the question as if Sony didn't do anything new.  Just look at Journey for crying out loud and that's just one example.

"You and others seem to think Sony is some dominate force like they use to be, but in present day it isn't." You wouldn't be saying that had you not instantly resort to such snark, so quit crying wolf. Have I ever said the 360 was a fluke? No, I meant to say that Microsoft's strategy of this gen will only work as well as it did for one generation. (I will admit that I kinda f***ed up and perhaps implied things that I never meant to say). You say the stuff I said makes me look bad. Just look at your first reply. You didn't even bother saying anything constructive until after I pointed it out.

Now to actually reply to your opinions, I'm not going to agree whether much of 360 sales are earned. That does not mean I disagree. I don't know how many of those sales are replacement sales and how many of the 360's are actually still consistently used. Of course, to figure out the actual numbers of these variables is impractical. There are a lot of earned 360 sales, but there are also a bunch of spotted sales.

As I've said before I wanted to avoid this converstation.  You have already made up your mind before either console has been announced so I don't feel like explaining all of this.  Sony has been diminishing for some time now as shown with the Vita.  People are no longer just going to buy playstation because it has playstation slapped on their.  Your PS4 and neXbox predictions are nothing at the moment because we dont know what either is doing.  You say sony has adapted but they have yet to prove that either looking at the vita once again.  And then you act like MSFT can't adapt as if they havent been in a business for decades.  In fact they took Sony head on head this generation and then you say it was spotted sales. I guess that is why MSFT sells more software than sony? No people bought it because they wanted it. In fact I bet you predicted the PS3 to dominate based on last generation huh?  Now how did that prediction turn out?

BTW Journey was not created by sony, it was published.  Their is a big difference from publishing a game and creating a game.  So don't credit Sony for something they did not do.  That should be credited to ThatGameCompany.

Again with your hasty conclusions. "In fact I bet you predicted the PS3 to dominate based on last generation huh?" Actually, I was skeptical because of the ridiculously high price tag and lack of software. Actually, at one point, I wanted a 360 more than I wanted a PS3. As I've said before, stop crying wolf. DId I ever say MSFT can't adapt? No. I'm skeptical of whether MSFT will change its strategy, which is a lot different from what you keep claiming I've been saying.

"In fact they took Sony head to head this generation and then you say it was spotted sales." Again, with your wild presumptions. Please read my previous comments more carefully. DId I even mention spotted sales or a term similar to that? No, you were the one that began talking about that and now we're in this messy fail of a debate.

And Sony shouldn't be given any credit for Journey. Sony was responsible for acknowledging ThatGameCompany's potential and took the company under its wing. Indie devs have complimented Sony for being flexible with what they want to make.

We can keep on going and going with this, but looking at what this conversation has gone to, I bet we both agree that we're not going to be in consensus with anything. You may say your spiel, but I won't reply unless you say something of undeniable substance. If this conversation is to continue, we should move it somewhere else since it doesn't even relate to the forum's original topic anymore.

'I feel like the 360 is a one hit wonder that mostly benefited from a year head start and Sony's huge stumble at the beginning of this gen. The NextBox is definitely not going to have that kind of success again' 

Your exact words, so stop saying I'm assuming when you said it.