dsgrue3 said:
DaRev said:
So you have not drawn any conclusions about God then or about the Bible, or have you?
Well this I would consider a religious debate, and while you have not admitted your ignorance to even fundamental religious discoveries meaning you have less knowledge on the subject matter than myself and the rest of the people arguing with you, you clearly are ignorant of Christian and other religious principles. Authority issue or what? We Christians are not lying in order to discredit or convince you or Science, we're basing our information on what has been theorized/observed/evidenced. Do you not understand this?
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The Bible is a book of fables. It isnt' relevant in discussions of a supernatural being unless the only possibility you consider is that one described in the Bible?
As there is no evidence for the existence of God, I do not BELIEVE in his existence, but I cannot state that He does not exist. It is the same as you cannot state that He does.
Your alteration to my statement is entirely ridiculous. Christians base nothing on theory/observation/evidence. They place the entirety of their religion in a book.
I hope you understand the difference, but I doubt you're capable of such trivialities.
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don't bother, hun. I've gotten to the point where I skip past any post of his or any post responding to his. he has absolutely nothing of value to say on the topic and is completely incapable of seeing the glaring flaw in his logic. He is not worth discussing the matter with, as he is not willing to concede a point or at least try to argue on even ground. as far as he's concerned, The bible says it, therefore it is true becuase the bible claims it is the truth. he believes it becuase he wants to believe it, and he is precisely the kind of person that I think is the problem with arguing religion.
It's noble that you're willing to try to politely and rationally get him to see the error in his ways, but it's incredibly, and sadly futile. this is the kind of absolute faith that cannot be budged, cannot be argued with, and cannot be reasoned with.
This may come across as flaming, but the adage "Never argue with a fool; they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience." applies, as he expects you to argue on his terms (that the bible is infallible truth) despite there being no evidence to back that statement up. He expects you to debate with him given his one handicap, and in the real world, that need not apply. The very fact that people keep responding to him only shows that we, as a species and race (and atheists, trying to just make the world a better place through knowledge and understanding as opposed to bloody conflict and aggression) are not willing to criticise religion or treat it as the elaborate fairy tale it is.
Earlier in this thread someone likened religion to believing in Santa Clause and they got banned. This is incredibly silly, as they are very similar mythologies.
God can see you always, he is omniscient; Santa sees you when you're sleeping, he knows when you're awake.
God judges you and either punishes or rewards you at the end of your life; santa judges you and either rewards or punishes you at the end of the year.
God lives in heaven above and has an army of angels to do his work; Santa lives in the great white north with an army of elves to do his work.
The only difference is that your parents tell you that santa isn't real. The origin of religion happened too long ago to be able to get a confession out of the originators. (that's my theory, anyway: god and religion as a whole was created to keep people in line and unify groups; makes sense, seems harmless enough.)
So yeah, The bible is a book, not a peer reviewed, tested and retested scientific journal or report. It is not a history book, though I even have doubt and reservations about many history books, given people's desire to mask truth. plenty of things you think are real history are embellished, altered, cleaned up, and sometimes flat out made up. Why in the world would people believe a book that claims a man literally split a sea in half with god's will as absolute undeniable truth when even history books without such bold claims are constantly scrutinized and reissued due to inaccuracies.
Double standards EVERYWHERE!
- what then? What if this dude come out and tells you he found the Heavn Particle outside of the untestable space that our untestable but acceptable Universe(s), all 6 of them, are expanding into - what then? You guys must have FAITH as big as Christians 
