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Do Nintendo and Microsoft fans like each other?

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fighter on 12 December 2012
enditall727 said:
kain_kusanagi said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
kain_kusanagi said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
kain_kusanagi said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
KungKras said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
 

Not true, Sony expanded the market.Sega consoles never sold that much to begin with when you look at the amount of consoles they've shipped from generation to generation. The Genesis was pretty much it for them and even that couldnt properly compete with Nintendo. Before Sony entered the console race home consoles were frowned upon and Nintendo dominated a console race that at best commanded ninety million consoles. When Sony entered the console race they increased the userbase to two hundred million consoles and solidified consoles in the media as potent multimedia electronics. Sony saught respect for gaming consoles,and gained the respect of the wealth of third parties at a staggering pace. Sega was in a downward spiral regardless of the existence of Sony. Nintendo was butchering Sega and Sony showed both how you create a dominant console and stay ahead of trends, because after all they were a hardware company. You pirate their format, they'll just make another one. Microsoft at that point was notified of Sonys market dominance and the increase in the size of the gaming market and saw the console industry as a visible threat to their multimedia dominance because of their then monopoly over PC OS and was talked into making a console to cut down Sonys marketshare.

If you think that all the 3rd party games that the PSX got but the Saturn didn't would have simply evaporated if there were no PSX you are delusional.

Look up any documentary on the fall of Sega and you'll find that all of their problems were their own. They either flopped many times, failed with marketshare or third parties. Many of these problems were due to Sega of America and their head who later left and went to Microsoft. Nintendo never lost their footing. Nintendo never lost a gen to Sega and Sega kept flopping around like a fish during the time of the Saturn switching consoles after four years to the Dreamcast. Sega could never manage to sell above ten million consoles. When Sony came, they couldn't keep up. The only company whose marketshare was truly affected by Sony was Nintendo.

You've done it again. You ignored the fact that if the Playstation never existed that all those PS exclusives would have been Saturn exclusives. You keep saying how Sega made mistakes, that's true, but you seem to refuse to acknowledge that the nail in Sega's coffin was Sony. If Sony handn't sucked all the air out of the video game market Sega could have kept breathing.


Sega could've had the multiplats, but Sega of America's head was being a hard headed dick. Sega's nail in the coffin was never Sony...they just could never measure up to Sony. Before Sony even came they were floundering.

Dude. The platform with MGS, Final Fantasy, and Crash Bandicoot was the winner. If not Sony it would have been Sega. We aren't talking about multiplats. We are talking about all the Playstation games that would have been Saturn games had Sony never entered the market and took over. It wold have been just N64 with limited cart storage versus only the Sega Saturn with all the big games. All the games that made the Playstation succesfull would have been only on Saturn.

Had that happened Sega would still be making hardware today. We probably wouldn't even have Xbox because without Sony's living room success MS would never have bothered.

No. Stop blaming Sony for Segas mistakes. Segas highest period was during the Genesis Era. Their production habits were horrible, their attention to detail with hardware was horrible, their pricing of the Sega Saturn was $399 which in 1994 was as bad as Sony launching at $599. They called out the Osborne Effect because in terms of costs they could not compete with Sony and Nintendo no matter how much they bundled their games. Sony had taken the time to court third parties, which is something Sega of America should've been doing.

Watch this video, go anywhere and check , they will tell you Segas fall was a result from bad business decisions.I loved Sega as well and the Dreamcast was one of my favorite consoles, but this doesn't change the fact that Segas western and eastern branch did not see eye to eye on how to deal with the console and it lead to huge problems.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkOYW8tZ59o

Wow. Just wow. You keep avoiding and deverting my one and only point.

I'm going to type it out as a single line and I want you to only think about it as a "what if".

If the Playstation never existed the Sega Saturn would have thrived and Sega would still be producing hardware.

That's it. It's simple. You don't need to talk about any of the mistakes during or after the Saturn era because all that happened during the Playstation monopoly. Without Sony, Sega wouldn't not have been as hurt by their own mistakes. All companies make mistakes. Sega's weren't any worse than any other. The difference was the Sony sucked up everything Sega once had.


hmmm interesting

 

what do you mean they sucked up everything that Sega had?

 

and so why didn't Nintendo go under aswell as Sega if they sucked up everything(i still dont know what "everything" is yet lol)??


it truly seems you are trying to give OP a good reason of why xbox and nintendo fans get along

your manners are those of a troll

 

kain is merely giving facts without judging either companies and you are quite the opposite - very judgemental and incapable of remaining factual



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KungKras on 12 December 2012
enditall727 said:
KungKras said:
enditall727 said:
 

hmmm you think so?

 

The industry would be WAAAAAAYYYYY different if Sony didn't come along

 

I read that Saturn was horrible to program for(or someshit like that) and everybody liked the ps1 more for some tech reasons. IDK if the ps1 games would be the same if they were all made on the Saturn. I'm about to go look that up really quick because i was reading about that not too long ago

The difficulty of Saturn programming wouldn't have affected the amount of game studios assigned to work on it if the PSX wasn't an alternative. Also, games like RE and Tomb Raider were planned for the Saturn from the very beginning, and they look very similar to the PSX versions.


How much storage was capable on the Saturn disc compared to the PS1 disc??

 

The ps1 was a stronger console aswell right? or were they the same i think i remember the people who made rayman complaining about the Saturn but i'll find out where i seen that though

Saturn discs had the same amlunt of Storage. It had comparable polygon count as the PS1 and a bigger colour palette, but didn't do lighting and transparancy effects as well, also, it was a 2D beast, it outclassed all the other systems of that gen in 2D graphics. It didn't do video compression though, so cutscenes in Saturn games looked like youtube videos.



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enditall727 on 12 December 2012
fighter said:
enditall727 said:
fighter said:
enditall727 said:
smgdh at some of these replies

I cant believe some of the sh!t i'm reading lol



so is this logic correct?

MS fan acts like a fanboy = Innocent Angel who is just misunderstood and is only acting that way because of the savage Sony fans who bully MS fans for no reason

Nintendo Fan acts like a fanboy = yet another Innocent Angel who is just misunderstood and is only acting that way because of the savage Sony fans who bully Nintendo fans for no reason

4th gen Sega fan acts like a fanboy before PlayStation even exists = another Innocent Angel who is just misunderstood and is only acting that way because of the savage Sony fans who bully the other fans for no reason

Sony fan acts like a fanboy = OMG a heartless, barbaric and savage demon who kicks everybody while they're down and is so horrible. They bully other fans who wouldn't hurt a fly for no reason even when they are trying to be nice. They are so dirty and delusional and they started the whole Fanboy wars


^^^ Logical right?


how you got to understand that is beyond me - no sensible person thinks in such contrasts of evil and good - maybe you should be more specific in who you see stating such things ?


lol I'm exaggerating but you get the point

I got to understand that by just observing the big picture while being a PlayStation fan

 

Most of these people usually lie or exaggerate the whole Sony fan horridness. I call people out on it every once in a while and of course they usually have nothing to say

 

You replied as if you have some kind of guilty conscense like i was talking about you or something. I didn't get to the later half of the thread yet but i'm guessing you must be saying something negative about Sony as we speak? I will get around to reading your posts in this thread in a bit though


the point being you choose the worst, over-interpret it, and from it pretend to illustrate the mass and thus disqualify any truth in OP's claim ? otherwise please correct me

you are clueless about my conscience and since you seem to reason on feelings and morale would you care to illustrate when during this thread have you called out on any sony fan ? or are you sying it would be immoral to call on a fellow fan ?


I was exaggerating like i said before

 

you are clueless about my conscience

^^ yes i was clueless about you and that is why i basically admitted it right there AS CLEAR as day by saying that i have not gotten to the later half of the thread yet, Sherlock

 

and since you seem to reason on feelings and morale would you care to illustrate when during this thread have you called out on any sony fan ?

 

^^ lets take a look at what i said :)

 

i said -->  I call people out on it every once in a while and of course they usually have nothing to say

 

where did i say anything about calling anybody out in this thread, fighter?

 

oh, you pulled that 1 clean out of your ass didn't you? ;)

 

now i WILL admit that 1 of the people i called out are in this thread right now

 

or are you sying it would be immoral to call on a fellow fan ?

nah i usually don't see too many PlayStation fans saying stuff that the other fans would say. Other fans can take jabs at Sony fans and it will be ok but when Sony fans do it, it's WW3.



enditall727 on 12 December 2012
fighter said:


it truly seems you are trying to give OP a good reason of why xbox and nintendo fans get along

your manners are those of a troll

 

kain is merely giving facts without judging either companies and you are quite the opposite - very judgemental and incapable of remaining factual

GTFO

 

i'm asking him a serious question and i'm waiting for his reply



enditall727 on 12 December 2012
KungKras said:
enditall727 said:
KungKras said:
enditall727 said:
 

hmmm you think so?

 

The industry would be WAAAAAAYYYYY different if Sony didn't come along

 

I read that Saturn was horrible to program for(or someshit like that) and everybody liked the ps1 more for some tech reasons. IDK if the ps1 games would be the same if they were all made on the Saturn. I'm about to go look that up really quick because i was reading about that not too long ago

The difficulty of Saturn programming wouldn't have affected the amount of game studios assigned to work on it if the PSX wasn't an alternative. Also, games like RE and Tomb Raider were planned for the Saturn from the very beginning, and they look very similar to the PSX versions.


How much storage was capable on the Saturn disc compared to the PS1 disc??

 

The ps1 was a stronger console aswell right? or were they the same i think i remember the people who made rayman complaining about the Saturn but i'll find out where i seen that though

Saturn discs had the same amlunt of Storage. It had comparable polygon count as the PS1 and a bigger colour palette, but didn't do lighting and transparancy effects as well, also, it was a 2D beast, it outclassed all the other systems of that gen in 2D graphics. It didn't do video compression though, so cutscenes in Saturn games looked like youtube videos.

youtube videos? XD XD

 

wtf does that mean? youtube videos are bad??

 

lol



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kain_kusanagi on 12 December 2012
enditall727 said:

GTFO

 

i'm asking him a serious question and i'm waiting for his reply


By "everything" I am talking about all the third party devs that made the Genesis popular. Sony's Playstation became THE 3rd party platform. Publishers could make all their money on Playstation without having to port to anything. If the Playstation never existed the 32bit gen would have looked a lot like the 50/50 split of the 16bit gen.



fighter on 12 December 2012
enditall727 said:


I was exaggerating like i said before

 

you are clueless about my conscience

^^ yes i was clueless about you and that is why i basically admitted it right there AS CLEAR as day by saying that i have not gotten to the later half of the thread yet, Sherlock

 

and since you seem to reason on feelings and morale would you care to illustrate when during this thread have you called out on any sony fan ?

 

^^ lets take a look at what i said :)

 

i said -->  I call people out on it every once in a while and of course they usually have nothing to say

 

where did i say anything about calling anybody out in this thread, fighter?

 

oh, you pulled that 1 clean out of your ass didn't you? ;)

 

now i WILL admit that 1 of the people i called out are in this thread right now

 

or are you sying it would be immoral to call on a fellow fan ?

nah i usually don't see too many PlayStation fans saying stuff that the other fans would say. Other fans can take jabs at Sony fans and it will be ok but when Sony fans do it, it's WW3.


1/ you admit being clueless and at the same time you guessed i felt you were talking about me - good luck with that logic Dr. Watson

2/ why reduce the paragraph ? Oh yeah, becasue the definition of "it" was key...

Most of these people usually lie or exaggerate the whole Sony fan horridness. I call people out on it every once in a while and of course they usually have nothing to say

So my question still stands and you would realize that you admitted doing the exact same thing you denounce "lol I'm exaggerating but you get the point"

Sherlock : 2 -- Watson 0

3/ that is actually related to the second point lol - how you made it a thrid point is another illustration of your flawed logic

Sherlock : 2 -- Watson -1


 




fighter on 12 December 2012
enditall727 said:

GTFO

 

i'm asking him a serious question and i'm waiting for his reply


i think you are confusing two words here : serious and weird

but then again, you seem to make many confusions



S.T.A.G.E. on 12 December 2012
enditall727 said:


hmmm interesting

 

what do you mean they sucked up everything that Sega had?

 

and so why didn't Nintendo go under aswell as Sega if they sucked up everything(i still dont know what "everything" is yet lol)??


Sega had pissed off retailers in the west and caused third parties to shy away from them with the Saturn launch. Japan and the US branches of Sega could not come to a mutual understanding concerning the future of the product. It was just pure confusion at Sega. The price also caused people to shy away from the Saturn, which in the early 90's was a whopping $399. Within two years of the Saturns lifetime they were ready to give up on it. Sega couldnt suck up anything because Nintendo had the majority of the third parties as dedicated providers to them. If Sony took anything from anyone, they took the third parties from Nintendo. I can understand Nintendo owners having a gripe with Sony, but not Sega owners. 



enditall727 on 12 December 2012
kain_kusanagi said:


By "everything" I am talking about all the third party devs that made the Genesis popular. Sony's Playstation became THE 3rd party platform. Publishers could make all their money on Playstation without having to port to anything. If the Playstation never existed the 32bit gen would have looked a lot like the 50/50 split of the 16bit gen.

but weren't most of those 3rd party games also available on Nintendo aswell though?

 

I always thought that Saturn failed because of the hardware compared to the PlayStation.