enditall727 said:
kain_kusanagi said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
kain_kusanagi said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
kain_kusanagi said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
KungKras said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Not true, Sony expanded the market.Sega consoles never sold that much to begin with when you look at the amount of consoles they've shipped from generation to generation. The Genesis was pretty much it for them and even that couldnt properly compete with Nintendo. Before Sony entered the console race home consoles were frowned upon and Nintendo dominated a console race that at best commanded ninety million consoles. When Sony entered the console race they increased the userbase to two hundred million consoles and solidified consoles in the media as potent multimedia electronics. Sony saught respect for gaming consoles,and gained the respect of the wealth of third parties at a staggering pace. Sega was in a downward spiral regardless of the existence of Sony. Nintendo was butchering Sega and Sony showed both how you create a dominant console and stay ahead of trends, because after all they were a hardware company. You pirate their format, they'll just make another one. Microsoft at that point was notified of Sonys market dominance and the increase in the size of the gaming market and saw the console industry as a visible threat to their multimedia dominance because of their then monopoly over PC OS and was talked into making a console to cut down Sonys marketshare.
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If you think that all the 3rd party games that the PSX got but the Saturn didn't would have simply evaporated if there were no PSX you are delusional.
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Look up any documentary on the fall of Sega and you'll find that all of their problems were their own. They either flopped many times, failed with marketshare or third parties. Many of these problems were due to Sega of America and their head who later left and went to Microsoft. Nintendo never lost their footing. Nintendo never lost a gen to Sega and Sega kept flopping around like a fish during the time of the Saturn switching consoles after four years to the Dreamcast. Sega could never manage to sell above ten million consoles. When Sony came, they couldn't keep up. The only company whose marketshare was truly affected by Sony was Nintendo.
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You've done it again. You ignored the fact that if the Playstation never existed that all those PS exclusives would have been Saturn exclusives. You keep saying how Sega made mistakes, that's true, but you seem to refuse to acknowledge that the nail in Sega's coffin was Sony. If Sony handn't sucked all the air out of the video game market Sega could have kept breathing.
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Sega could've had the multiplats, but Sega of America's head was being a hard headed dick. Sega's nail in the coffin was never Sony...they just could never measure up to Sony. Before Sony even came they were floundering.
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Dude. The platform with MGS, Final Fantasy, and Crash Bandicoot was the winner. If not Sony it would have been Sega. We aren't talking about multiplats. We are talking about all the Playstation games that would have been Saturn games had Sony never entered the market and took over. It wold have been just N64 with limited cart storage versus only the Sega Saturn with all the big games. All the games that made the Playstation succesfull would have been only on Saturn.
Had that happened Sega would still be making hardware today. We probably wouldn't even have Xbox because without Sony's living room success MS would never have bothered.
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No. Stop blaming Sony for Segas mistakes. Segas highest period was during the Genesis Era. Their production habits were horrible, their attention to detail with hardware was horrible, their pricing of the Sega Saturn was $399 which in 1994 was as bad as Sony launching at $599. They called out the Osborne Effect because in terms of costs they could not compete with Sony and Nintendo no matter how much they bundled their games. Sony had taken the time to court third parties, which is something Sega of America should've been doing.
Watch this video, go anywhere and check , they will tell you Segas fall was a result from bad business decisions.I loved Sega as well and the Dreamcast was one of my favorite consoles, but this doesn't change the fact that Segas western and eastern branch did not see eye to eye on how to deal with the console and it lead to huge problems.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkOYW8tZ59o
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Wow. Just wow. You keep avoiding and deverting my one and only point.
I'm going to type it out as a single line and I want you to only think about it as a "what if".
If the Playstation never existed the Sega Saturn would have thrived and Sega would still be producing hardware.
That's it. It's simple. You don't need to talk about any of the mistakes during or after the Saturn era because all that happened during the Playstation monopoly. Without Sony, Sega wouldn't not have been as hurt by their own mistakes. All companies make mistakes. Sega's weren't any worse than any other. The difference was the Sony sucked up everything Sega once had.
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hmmm interesting
what do you mean they sucked up everything that Sega had?
and so why didn't Nintendo go under aswell as Sega if they sucked up everything(i still dont know what "everything" is yet lol)??
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it truly seems you are trying to give OP a good reason of why xbox and nintendo fans get along
your manners are those of a troll
kain is merely giving facts without judging either companies and you are quite the opposite - very judgemental and incapable of remaining factual
