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JEMC on 13 December 2012
freebs2 said:
I imagine the Steambox to be a gaming console in all respects, but with a PC hardware architecture (x86) and a proprietary OS based on linux. Steam will be used to buy both games and apps to add functionalities to your system.
Using a PC architecture, it could be easily supported by all current PC/Steam developers, with the option to optimize the game a little bit if they want to.
As their main goal, they should deliver a good price/hardware compromise, this way those who are interested into a low to mid level gaming PC could opt to buy their console, while hi-end PC enthusiats (a minority) could still use standard Steam on their PCs.
Imo, if they don't screw up something, if they manage get a couple of good exclusives it could coexist with other consoles and even steal some marketshares.

Devs would still need to port their games over from Windows to Linux (ie: changing the tools from Direct X to Open GL) to make them work.



Please excuse my bad English.

Former gaming PC: i5-4670k@stock (for now), 16Gb RAM 1600 MHz and a GTX 1070

Current gaming PC: R5-7600, 32GB RAM 6000MT/s (CL30) and a RX 9060XT 16GB

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selnor on 13 December 2012

Theres no incentive to buy Steambox unless Forza or alo is exclusive to it. Steambox will go the same way as Onlive did.



thranx on 13 December 2012
JEMC said:
freebs2 said:
I imagine the Steambox to be a gaming console in all respects, but with a PC hardware architecture (x86) and a proprietary OS based on linux. Steam will be used to buy both games and apps to add functionalities to your system.
Using a PC architecture, it could be easily supported by all current PC/Steam developers, with the option to optimize the game a little bit if they want to.
As their main goal, they should deliver a good price/hardware compromise, this way those who are interested into a low to mid level gaming PC could opt to buy their console, while hi-end PC enthusiats (a minority) could still use standard Steam on their PCs.
Imo, if they don't screw up something, if they manage get a couple of good exclusives it could coexist with other consoles and even steal some marketshares.

Devs would still need to port their games over from Windows to Linux (ie: changing the tools from Direct X to Open GL) to make them work.

why would it use linux? did they say that?



JEMC on 13 December 2012
thranx said:
JEMC said:
freebs2 said:
I imagine the Steambox to be a gaming console in all respects, but with a PC hardware architecture (x86) and a proprietary OS based on linux. Steam will be used to buy both games and apps to add functionalities to your system.
Using a PC architecture, it could be easily supported by all current PC/Steam developers, with the option to optimize the game a little bit if they want to.
As their main goal, they should deliver a good price/hardware compromise, this way those who are interested into a low to mid level gaming PC could opt to buy their console, while hi-end PC enthusiats (a minority) could still use standard Steam on their PCs.
Imo, if they don't screw up something, if they manage get a couple of good exclusives it could coexist with other consoles and even steal some marketshares.

Devs would still need to port their games over from Windows to Linux (ie: changing the tools from Direct X to Open GL) to make them work.

why would it use linux? did they say that?

No, but given the recent words of Gabe Newel (when he said Win8 was a catastrophe) make it hard to believe that they would use it. Besides, if they go with Windows, they wouldn't be able to tweak the UI so the machine would be like just like a regular PC, with an OS that controls it all and with the user having to go to Steam to play, etc.

Going with a Linux distro allows them to change the UI and make the machine start directly into Steam.



Please excuse my bad English.

Former gaming PC: i5-4670k@stock (for now), 16Gb RAM 1600 MHz and a GTX 1070

Current gaming PC: R5-7600, 32GB RAM 6000MT/s (CL30) and a RX 9060XT 16GB

Steam / Live / NNID : jonxiquet    Add me if you want, but I'm a single player gamer.

thranx on 13 December 2012
JEMC said:
thranx said:
JEMC said:
freebs2 said:
I imagine the Steambox to be a gaming console in all respects, but with a PC hardware architecture (x86) and a proprietary OS based on linux. Steam will be used to buy both games and apps to add functionalities to your system.
Using a PC architecture, it could be easily supported by all current PC/Steam developers, with the option to optimize the game a little bit if they want to.
As their main goal, they should deliver a good price/hardware compromise, this way those who are interested into a low to mid level gaming PC could opt to buy their console, while hi-end PC enthusiats (a minority) could still use standard Steam on their PCs.
Imo, if they don't screw up something, if they manage get a couple of good exclusives it could coexist with other consoles and even steal some marketshares.

Devs would still need to port their games over from Windows to Linux (ie: changing the tools from Direct X to Open GL) to make them work.

why would it use linux? did they say that?

No, but given the recent words of Gabe Newel (when he said Win8 was a catastrophe) make it hard to believe that they would use it. Besides, if they go with Windows, they wouldn't be able to tweak the UI so the machine would be like just like a regular PC, with an OS that controls it all and with the user having to go to Steam to play, etc.

Going with a Linux distro allows them to change the UI and make the machine start directly into Steam.

yes, but that would remove its ability to be a functional computer as well. no windows no use as a pc.



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freebs2 on 13 December 2012
JEMC said:
freebs2 said:
I imagine the Steambox to be a gaming console in all respects, but with a PC hardware architecture (x86) and a proprietary OS based on linux. Steam will be used to buy both games and apps to add functionalities to your system.
Using a PC architecture, it could be easily supported by all current PC/Steam developers, with the option to optimize the game a little bit if they want to.
As their main goal, they should deliver a good price/hardware compromise, this way those who are interested into a low to mid level gaming PC could opt to buy their console, while hi-end PC enthusiats (a minority) could still use standard Steam on their PCs.
Imo, if they don't screw up something, if they manage get a couple of good exclusives it could coexist with other consoles and even steal some marketshares.

Devs would still need to port their games over from Windows to Linux (ie: changing the tools from Direct X to Open GL) to make them work.

Ok, but don't they do it already when porting games on Ps3? Except for indie games most Steam games are also avaliable on Ps3.

I admit, I'm not an expert, but I guess porting a game on console is a much more complicated job than (just) changing tools form Direct X to OpenGL. Yes, a port on "Steambox" wouldn't be a totally painless job, but still it sounds less taxing than a console port. Am I right?



JEMC on 13 December 2012
thranx said:
JEMC said:
thranx said:
JEMC said:

Devs would still need to port their games over from Windows to Linux (ie: changing the tools from Direct X to Open GL) to make them work.

why would it use linux? did they say that?

No, but given the recent words of Gabe Newel (when he said Win8 was a catastrophe) make it hard to believe that they would use it. Besides, if they go with Windows, they wouldn't be able to tweak the UI so the machine would be like just like a regular PC, with an OS that controls it all and with the user having to go to Steam to play, etc.

Going with a Linux distro allows them to change the UI and make the machine start directly into Steam.

yes, but that would remove its ability to be a functional computer as well. no windows no use as a pc.

PCs don't need windows to be PCs. There are many people that use Linux or MacOS, and besides gaming they can do almost everything a windows PC does. the difference will be the software.

For example, instead of MSOffice you will be "forced" to use a program like OpenOffice that does basically the same and given that it can save your files in a format that MSOffice recognises, you will be able to transfer whatever you do on one program to the other.

And if you want to surfthe web you can use plenty of browsers too (Chrome, Firefox, Opera, etc.)



Please excuse my bad English.

Former gaming PC: i5-4670k@stock (for now), 16Gb RAM 1600 MHz and a GTX 1070

Current gaming PC: R5-7600, 32GB RAM 6000MT/s (CL30) and a RX 9060XT 16GB

Steam / Live / NNID : jonxiquet    Add me if you want, but I'm a single player gamer.

thranx on 13 December 2012
JEMC said:
thranx said:
JEMC said:
thranx said:
JEMC said:

Devs would still need to port their games over from Windows to Linux (ie: changing the tools from Direct X to Open GL) to make them work.

why would it use linux? did they say that?

No, but given the recent words of Gabe Newel (when he said Win8 was a catastrophe) make it hard to believe that they would use it. Besides, if they go with Windows, they wouldn't be able to tweak the UI so the machine would be like just like a regular PC, with an OS that controls it all and with the user having to go to Steam to play, etc.

Going with a Linux distro allows them to change the UI and make the machine start directly into Steam.

yes, but that would remove its ability to be a functional computer as well. no windows no use as a pc.

PCs don't need windows to be PCs. There are many people that use Linux or MacOS, and besides gaming they can do almost everything a windows PC does. the difference will be the software.

For example, instead of MSOffice you will be "forced" to use a program like OpenOffice that does basically the same and given that it can save your files in a format that MSOffice recognises, you will be able to transfer whatever you do on one program to the other.

And if you want to surfthe web you can use plenty of browsers too (Chrome, Firefox, Opera, etc.)

most general pc users can not utilize linux. I haven't tried linux, but when i tried Ubuntu I knew why windows does so well. I know linux is a functional OS, but not one made for the masses. and while open office is great, its still no MS office, and i have experience with transferring files from it to ms office and they dont allways come out well.



selnor on 13 December 2012
JEMC said:
thranx said:
JEMC said:
thranx said:
JEMC said:

Devs would still need to port their games over from Windows to Linux (ie: changing the tools from Direct X to Open GL) to make them work.

why would it use linux? did they say that?

No, but given the recent words of Gabe Newel (when he said Win8 was a catastrophe) make it hard to believe that they would use it. Besides, if they go with Windows, they wouldn't be able to tweak the UI so the machine would be like just like a regular PC, with an OS that controls it all and with the user having to go to Steam to play, etc.

Going with a Linux distro allows them to change the UI and make the machine start directly into Steam.

yes, but that would remove its ability to be a functional computer as well. no windows no use as a pc.

PCs don't need windows to be PCs. There are many people that use Linux or MacOS, and besides gaming they can do almost everything a windows PC does. the difference will be the software.

For example, instead of MSOffice you will be "forced" to use a program like OpenOffice that does basically the same and given that it can save your files in a format that MSOffice recognises, you will be able to transfer whatever you do on one program to the other.

And if you want to surfthe web you can use plenty of browsers too (Chrome, Firefox, Opera, etc.)

Yes as of Jan 2012 many people use Linux and OSX. 

Win marketshare was 92% then. OSX was 6%, Linux was 1% and the other 1% was down as other. So many users.



freebs2 on 13 December 2012
thranx said:
JEMC said:
thranx said:
JEMC said:
thranx said:
JEMC said:

Devs would still need to port their games over from Windows to Linux (ie: changing the tools from Direct X to Open GL) to make them work.

why would it use linux? did they say that?

No, but given the recent words of Gabe Newel (when he said Win8 was a catastrophe) make it hard to believe that they would use it. Besides, if they go with Windows, they wouldn't be able to tweak the UI so the machine would be like just like a regular PC, with an OS that controls it all and with the user having to go to Steam to play, etc.

Going with a Linux distro allows them to change the UI and make the machine start directly into Steam.

yes, but that would remove its ability to be a functional computer as well. no windows no use as a pc.

PCs don't need windows to be PCs. There are many people that use Linux or MacOS, and besides gaming they can do almost everything a windows PC does. the difference will be the software.

For example, instead of MSOffice you will be "forced" to use a program like OpenOffice that does basically the same and given that it can save your files in a format that MSOffice recognises, you will be able to transfer whatever you do on one program to the other.

And if you want to surfthe web you can use plenty of browsers too (Chrome, Firefox, Opera, etc.)

most general pc users can not utilize linux. I haven't tried linux, but when i tried Ubuntu I knew why windows does so well. I know linux is a functional OS, but not one made for the masses. and while open office is great, its still no MS office, and i have experience with transferring files from it to ms office and they dont allways come out well.

Ok, Openoffice may not be still MS Office, but on the other hand when you're buying a gaming PC most likely your purpose is not to get the best productivity software.... in terms of web browsing, social and mutimedia capabilites Ubuntu is perfectly as efficient as windows, also you don't have to make the assumption Linux = Ubuntu. If Valve decides to run linux on their console, most likely, it would still be a system dedicated OS, based on linux, not Ubuntu. Even Android is based on linux but I guess you know it already.