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Forums - Nintendo Discussion - German Law to Blame For 18+ Rated Wii U Content Block In Europe

ryuzaki57 said:

I saw on amazon.de that Black Ops 2 is usk18, and AC3 is usk16. Does that mean you can buy AC3 DLCs and not Black Ops DLCs?


idk about dlc ... but dlc of usk18 games should be on the psn store



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runqvist said:
Viper1 said:
runqvist said:
The law applies only to public television.

Tell that to EA and their Origin platform.

Or Sony and PSN.

You should take a look at barozis post, he explained it pretty nicely.

Then have Barozi explain it to EA and Sony because both of them are abiding by that same law.



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Viper1 said:
runqvist said:
Viper1 said:
runqvist said:
The law applies only to public television.

Tell that to EA and their Origin platform.

Or Sony and PSN.

You should take a look at barozis post, he explained it pretty nicely.

Then have Barozi explain it to EA and Sony because both of them are abiding by that same law.

I bought dragon age from origin, it works perfectly fine. German law does not supercede laws of other countries and it only applies to end customer, not the seller. If the customer is in Germany, german law applies to him. If the customer is in for example Poland, it is the polish law. It does not matter where the store is located.



Viper1 said:

Then have Barozi explain it to EA and Sony because both of them are abiding by that same law.


but origin is selling usk18 games, even in germany ?
xboxlive and steam also selling usk18 games without problems, also in germany.

its just a (stupid) decision sony made.



runqvist said:
Viper1 said:
runqvist said:
Viper1 said:
runqvist said:
The law applies only to public television.

Tell that to EA and their Origin platform.

Or Sony and PSN.

You should take a look at barozis post, he explained it pretty nicely.

Then have Barozi explain it to EA and Sony because both of them are abiding by that same law.

I bought dragon age from origin, it works perfectly fine. German law does not supercede laws of other countries and it only applies to end customer, not the seller. If the customer is in Germany, german law applies to him. If the customer is in for example Poland, it is the polish law. It does not matter where the store is located.

It does apply if the seller is in Germany.  That's the whole point of this debate.  

Commercial laws apply to the country of origin for the store.  Individual laws apply to the consumer in their country of residence.

Lusche said:

but origin is selling usk18 games, even in germany ?
xboxlive and steam also selling usk18 games without problems, also in germany.

its just a (stupid) decision sony made.

Unless Origin recently found a way past this, they too were subject to it. 

XboxLive and Steam get past it the same way that PS+ does...a wallet system that verifies age.  That might be how origin gets past it now as well and probably how Nintendo can get past it.

Point is, at some point, EA Origin and PSN were just as affected by this problem as Nintendo is.  In fact, Sony completely removed all 18 rated games form the store rather than implement a time period.



The rEVOLution is not being televised

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Viper1 said:
runqvist said:

I bought dragon age from origin, it works perfectly fine. German law does not supercede laws of other countries and it only applies to end customer, not the seller. If the customer is in Germany, german law applies to him. If the customer is in for example Poland, it is the polish law. It does not matter where the store is located.

It does apply if the seller is in Germany.  That's the whole point of this debate.  

Commercial laws apply to the country of origin for the store.  Individual laws apply to the consumer in their country of residence.

Lusche said:

but origin is selling usk18 games, even in germany ?
xboxlive and steam also selling usk18 games without problems, also in germany.

its just a (stupid) decision sony made.

Unless Origin recently found a way past this, they too were subject to it. 

XboxLive and Steam get past it the same way that PS+ does...a wallet system that verifies age.  That might be how origin gets past it now as well and probably how Nintendo can get past it.

Point is, at some point, EA Origin and PSN were just as affected by this problem as Nintendo is.  In fact, Sony completely removed all 18 rated games form the store rather than implement a time period.


No, it does not apply to seller. It applies to customer. Where are you from? How familiar are you with eu legislation?



runqvist said:
Viper1 said:
runqvist said:

I bought dragon age from origin, it works perfectly fine. German law does not supercede laws of other countries and it only applies to end customer, not the seller. If the customer is in Germany, german law applies to him. If the customer is in for example Poland, it is the polish law. It does not matter where the store is located.

It does apply if the seller is in Germany.  That's the whole point of this debate.  

Commercial laws apply to the country of origin for the store.  Individual laws apply to the consumer in their country of residence.

Lusche said:

but origin is selling usk18 games, even in germany ?
xboxlive and steam also selling usk18 games without problems, also in germany.

its just a (stupid) decision sony made.

Unless Origin recently found a way past this, they too were subject to it. 

XboxLive and Steam get past it the same way that PS+ does...a wallet system that verifies age.  That might be how origin gets past it now as well and probably how Nintendo can get past it.

Point is, at some point, EA Origin and PSN were just as affected by this problem as Nintendo is.  In fact, Sony completely removed all 18 rated games form the store rather than implement a time period.


No, it does not apply to seller. It applies to customer. Where are you from? How familiar are you with eu legislation?

So you are telling me that NoE in Germany is not under the jurisdiction of German law?  That the laws only apply to the residence of the consumer?  That no laws apply to the seller?

You are joking, right?



The rEVOLution is not being televised

Viper1 said:

XboxLive and Steam get past it the same way that PS+ does...a wallet system that verifies age.  That might be how origin gets past it now as well and probably how Nintendo can get past it.

Point is, at some point, EA Origin and PSN were just as affected by this problem as Nintendo is.  In fact, Sony completely removed all 18 rated games form the store rather than implement a time period.


ehm no ? no age verification and ps+ style wallet to verify age in germany for either origin, steam and xboxlive for usk18 games ...
as long as you pay they dont care ... bought many usk18 games on those platforms and they do not have an age verification in any way.



Viper1 said:

So you are telling me that NoE in Germany is not under the jurisdiction of German law?  That the laws only apply to the residence of the consumer?  That no laws apply to the seller?

You are joking, right?

there is no law in germany which binds you from selling usk18 games before 11pm ... its a decision the company makes and the company alone ...

they just dont want to deal with it or their lawers are really careful or not informed at all.

 

edit:
laws have changed alot the last few years. I think they still have the 'picture' of the old germany where games which had red pixels where automaticly baned from showing/selling in stores and they had to cut the violence to sell it in germany ...
not that strict anymore. and steam origin xboxlive and others are taking full advantage of it ... just sony and now nintendo still lives in the stoneage ...



Viper1 said:
runqvist said:


No, it does not apply to seller. It applies to customer. Where are you from? How familiar are you with eu legislation?

So you are telling me that NoE in Germany is not under the jurisdiction of German law?  That the laws only apply to the residence of the consumer?  That no laws apply to the seller?

You are joking, right?

Obviously you are capable of reading. I guess you are just being obtuse, but why not. The company located in germany has to abide with the german law, of course. The law in question is about protecting the german youth, who are residing in ... Germany. It limits the transactions for those people who happen to reside where the said law applies. Is it really so hard for you to understand?