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CCFanboy said:
Soundwave said:


I stick by my statements. Nintendo has stated and implied several times that they are trying to get a more core audience on the Wii U and having games like CoD and AC3 are "checking that box". 

The problem with this philosophy (sorry Reggie) is that no one cares that the Wii U finally got franchises that everyone has been playing on other platforms for like several years already. 

In effect having ports of these games are nice, but they're about as effective as a knife in a gun fight. Would I rather have a knife than nothing at all? Sure? But I'd rather have a gun too, lol. 

That's Nintendo's problem is they have no gun in this fight. 

If they strategy is to appeal to only Nintendo fans ... great. We've seen how that story goes with the GameCube. 


The major hole you don't account for is that you can make the same argument against the others. All they will have on launch is late ports of multiplatform games. So why is it any different with them? What exactly is the incentive for picking up the games on other consoles?

The problem with your logic is you're operating in a fantasy land where Nintendo has the same credibility with the audience games like Assassin's Creed and Call of Duty and what not attract. 

That is Microsoft-Sony-country and Nintendo's basically let them have that audience all to themselves for the last 6-7 years. You may say "well that's not fair! what about Sony and MS". Sony and MS don't need to prove anything to that audience, they own that audience and get the benefit of the doubt. That's not fair, but guess what. Life isn't fair. 

So Nintendo showing up, even with day-and-date ports of a lot of these games isn't going to do much. 

Nintendo needs to have *clearly* better versions of these games to get people's attention and get them thinking "oh hey ... wow I guess this is a lot better on the Wii U". Which shouldn't be that hard for hardware that is 7 years younger, lol. 

Nintendo bent over backwards to make this system as small in size to the original Wii and as low of power consumption as they could, but in the process IMO they basically killed any chance of giving third parties a box that could easily provide an outlet for higher end ports (ie: 1080p, PC asset ports, etc.). 



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Soundwave said:
CCFanboy said:
Soundwave said:


But I think what we're seeing is all these ports have basically zero appeal to non-Nintendo fans. They're fun for hardcore Nintendo fans who haven't played them before to pick up, but the teenager who owns a PS3/360 and primarily plays games on that isn't going to be impressed by franchises that have been on PS3/360 for 6-7 years now finally showing up on the Wii brand.


lol. Next you'll be telling me that xbox has zero appeal to people who don't like microsoft's games or playstation has zero appeal to non-playstation fans. These are for people who want to play the games on nintendo. They aren't aimed at ps3 and 360 owners.


I stick by my statements. Nintendo has stated and implied several times that they are trying to get a more core audience on the Wii U and having games like CoD and AC3 are "checking that box". 

The problem with this philosophy (sorry Reggie) is that no one cares that the Wii U finally got franchises that everyone has been playing on other platforms for like several years already. 

In effect having ports of these games are nice, but they're about as effective as a knife in a gun fight. Would I rather have a knife than nothing at all? Sure? But I'd rather have a gun too, lol. 

That's Nintendo's problem is they have no gun in this fight. 

If they strategy is to appeal to only Nintendo fans ... great. We've seen how that story goes with the GameCube. 

We have also seen how that story goes for the Wii lol. The Wii had CoD so whats your point lol, I guess they went after the core there too lol. The problem with you, is the fact that you cant accept Ninty doesn't give a damn about the core. You just enjoy eating up everything they say lol. They do little things like say they want the core and you take it to heart and wonder why you were burnt later lol. Why was the WiiU first shown off with the same franchises that made the Wii popular? I think you're just in denial.



Soundwave said:
phenom08 said:
Soundwave said:

GameCube sold more than the Wii U did at launch.

GameCube actually had a very solid launch. The XBox had a *great* launch, considering it was a new system, but that was largely buoyed by having Halo.

The wheels on the GameCube fell off in 2002 though.

I wouldn't be shocked if the Wii U performed similarily to the GameCube in North America, where it sold OK, but Nintendo is stronger nowadays in Japan and especially Europe. Nintendo just basically conceeded Europe entirely during the N64/GCN days so they were really only selling in 2 markets ... well really 1 for GameCube because Japan never got into the GCN either after Smash Bros. Melee. 

Do you have any figures? And you don't seriously believe any modern day console could seriously sell less than the GC? I don't even see the Vita doing that bad unless its discontinued.


Dude re-read what I said, lol. I never said what you implied, in fact I said the opposite.

Also the Gamecube sold 660k its first month in North America. Which is more than Wii or Wii U, though the Wii was extremely supply constrained, probably could've sold 2-3x more. 

So the GC did better than Wii lol, why even mention the GC if it had a wonderful launch and still sold less than 23 million consoles lifetime. It launched better than Wii. Also I love the fact you keep ignoring the fact that the WiiU has had reports of it being mostly sold out. Yet you brought up the Wii having supply problems and not the reports of the WiiU having the same.



runqvist said:
phenom08 said:
Soundwave said:

GameCube sold more than the Wii U did at launch.

GameCube actually had a very solid launch. The XBox had a *great* launch, considering it was a new system, but that was largely buoyed by having Halo.

The wheels on the GameCube fell off in 2002 though.

I wouldn't be shocked if the Wii U performed similarily to the GameCube in North America, where it sold OK, but Nintendo is stronger nowadays in Japan and especially Europe. Nintendo just basically conceeded Europe entirely during the N64/GCN days so they were really only selling in 2 markets ... well really 1 for GameCube because Japan never got into the GCN either after Smash Bros. Melee. 

Do you have any figures? And you don't seriously believe any modern day console could seriously sell less than the GC? I don't even see the Vita doing that bad unless its discontinued.

http://www.zdnet.com/news/nintendo-reports-record-gamecube-launch/119885

That is USA only.

So it even outsold the Wii?



phenom08 said:
Soundwave said:
phenom08 said:
Soundwave said:

GameCube sold more than the Wii U did at launch.

GameCube actually had a very solid launch. The XBox had a *great* launch, considering it was a new system, but that was largely buoyed by having Halo.

The wheels on the GameCube fell off in 2002 though.

I wouldn't be shocked if the Wii U performed similarily to the GameCube in North America, where it sold OK, but Nintendo is stronger nowadays in Japan and especially Europe. Nintendo just basically conceeded Europe entirely during the N64/GCN days so they were really only selling in 2 markets ... well really 1 for GameCube because Japan never got into the GCN either after Smash Bros. Melee. 

Do you have any figures? And you don't seriously believe any modern day console could seriously sell less than the GC? I don't even see the Vita doing that bad unless its discontinued.


Dude re-read what I said, lol. I never said what you implied, in fact I said the opposite.

Also the Gamecube sold 660k its first month in North America. Which is more than Wii or Wii U, though the Wii was extremely supply constrained, probably could've sold 2-3x more. 

So the GC did better than Wii lol, why even mention the GC if it had a wonderful launch and still sold less than 23 million consoles lifetime. It launched better than Wii. Also I love the fact you keep ignoring the fact that the WiiU has had reports of it being mostly sold out. Yet you brought up the Wii having supply problems and not the reports of the WiiU having the same.


The GameCube did sell OK in North America. If you bothered to actually read my post I pointed out clearly the reason the GCN ended up with such a low userbase is that it got very little juice from the European (4 million life) and Japanese (3 million life time) markets and at the very least, Nintendo has made very large strides in those markets. 

The Wii U demand is not anything like the Wii demand though. The Wii U is selling right at about the level Nintendo is shipping at, which is lower than the GameCube, so that's not exactly anything to throw a party over.

The Wii only sold about the same, but its highly disingenious to try and spin that the Wii U is just like the Wii. Hell no. Anyone around in 2006 will tell you something really unprecidented was happening with the Wii. 

There were line-ups for *re-stocking* the Wii, not just launch. I had to line up at 8 AM to get a Wii in December 2006 and I got the very system. There were about 20 people behind me that went home empty handed. Wii could've sold 2-3x more easily in 2006, Wii U is selling right around where the demand is IMO. 



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phenom08 said:
runqvist said:
phenom08 said:
Soundwave said:

GameCube sold more than the Wii U did at launch.

GameCube actually had a very solid launch. The XBox had a *great* launch, considering it was a new system, but that was largely buoyed by having Halo.

The wheels on the GameCube fell off in 2002 though.

I wouldn't be shocked if the Wii U performed similarily to the GameCube in North America, where it sold OK, but Nintendo is stronger nowadays in Japan and especially Europe. Nintendo just basically conceeded Europe entirely during the N64/GCN days so they were really only selling in 2 markets ... well really 1 for GameCube because Japan never got into the GCN either after Smash Bros. Melee. 

Do you have any figures? And you don't seriously believe any modern day console could seriously sell less than the GC? I don't even see the Vita doing that bad unless its discontinued.

http://www.zdnet.com/news/nintendo-reports-record-gamecube-launch/119885

That is USA only.

So it even outsold the Wii?

Go and find out yourself, that information should be easy enough to find.



phenom08 said:

So the GC did better than Wii lol, why even mention the GC if it had a wonderful launch and still sold less than 23 million consoles lifetime. It launched better than Wii. Also I love the fact you keep ignoring the fact that the WiiU has had reports of it being mostly sold out. Yet you brought up the Wii having supply problems and not the reports of the WiiU having the same.

The point is that even GC had a good launch and there is a real possibility that Wii U will be the next GC when it comes to sales.



runqvist said:
phenom08 said:

So the GC did better than Wii lol, why even mention the GC if it had a wonderful launch and still sold less than 23 million consoles lifetime. It launched better than Wii. Also I love the fact you keep ignoring the fact that the WiiU has had reports of it being mostly sold out. Yet you brought up the Wii having supply problems and not the reports of the WiiU having the same.

The point is that even GC had a good launch and there is a real possibility that Wii U will be the next GC when it comes to sales.

There is a real possibility any new platform could be the next GC lol.



Soundwave said:
phenom08 said:
Soundwave said:
phenom08 said:
Soundwave said:

GameCube sold more than the Wii U did at launch.

GameCube actually had a very solid launch. The XBox had a *great* launch, considering it was a new system, but that was largely buoyed by having Halo.

The wheels on the GameCube fell off in 2002 though.

I wouldn't be shocked if the Wii U performed similarily to the GameCube in North America, where it sold OK, but Nintendo is stronger nowadays in Japan and especially Europe. Nintendo just basically conceeded Europe entirely during the N64/GCN days so they were really only selling in 2 markets ... well really 1 for GameCube because Japan never got into the GCN either after Smash Bros. Melee. 

Do you have any figures? And you don't seriously believe any modern day console could seriously sell less than the GC? I don't even see the Vita doing that bad unless its discontinued.


Dude re-read what I said, lol. I never said what you implied, in fact I said the opposite.

Also the Gamecube sold 660k its first month in North America. Which is more than Wii or Wii U, though the Wii was extremely supply constrained, probably could've sold 2-3x more. 

So the GC did better than Wii lol, why even mention the GC if it had a wonderful launch and still sold less than 23 million consoles lifetime. It launched better than Wii. Also I love the fact you keep ignoring the fact that the WiiU has had reports of it being mostly sold out. Yet you brought up the Wii having supply problems and not the reports of the WiiU having the same.


The GameCube did sell OK in North America. If you bothered to actually read my post I pointed out clearly the reason the GCN ended up with such a low userbase is that it got very little juice from the European (4 million life) and Japanese (3 million life time) markets and at the very least, Nintendo has made very large strides in those markets. 

The Wii U demand is not anything like the Wii demand though. The Wii U is selling right at about the level Nintendo is shipping at, which is lower than the GameCube, so that's not exactly anything to throw a party over.

The Wii only sold about the same, but its highly disingenious to try and spin that the Wii U is just like the Wii. Hell no. Anyone around in 2006 will tell you something really unprecidented was happening with the Wii. 

There were line-ups for *re-stocking* the Wii, not just launch. I had to line up at 8 AM to get a Wii in December 2006 and I got the very system. There were about 20 people behind me that went home empty handed. Wii could've sold 2-3x more easily in 2006, Wii U is selling right around where the demand is IMO. 

Who cares about the WiiU being no where near the Wii's level of demand lol. And I don't care about your speculation, those reports of figures said the WiiU is basically sold out so no you are wrong, Ninty isn't shipping at demand. Also are you saying the WiiU will sell less than GC? If so you are going to eat so much crow lol.



runqvist said:
phenom08 said:
runqvist said:
phenom08 said:
Soundwave said:

GameCube sold more than the Wii U did at launch.

GameCube actually had a very solid launch. The XBox had a *great* launch, considering it was a new system, but that was largely buoyed by having Halo.

The wheels on the GameCube fell off in 2002 though.

I wouldn't be shocked if the Wii U performed similarily to the GameCube in North America, where it sold OK, but Nintendo is stronger nowadays in Japan and especially Europe. Nintendo just basically conceeded Europe entirely during the N64/GCN days so they were really only selling in 2 markets ... well really 1 for GameCube because Japan never got into the GCN either after Smash Bros. Melee. 

Do you have any figures? And you don't seriously believe any modern day console could seriously sell less than the GC? I don't even see the Vita doing that bad unless its discontinued.

http://www.zdnet.com/news/nintendo-reports-record-gamecube-launch/119885

That is USA only.

So it even outsold the Wii?

Go and find out yourself, that information should be easy enough to find.

I already know and it did outsell the Wii. So whats your point?