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Soundwave on 09 December 2012
phenom08 said:
Soundwave said:
phenom08 said:
Soundwave said:
phenom08 said:
Soundwave said:

GameCube sold more than the Wii U did at launch.

GameCube actually had a very solid launch. The XBox had a *great* launch, considering it was a new system, but that was largely buoyed by having Halo.

The wheels on the GameCube fell off in 2002 though.

I wouldn't be shocked if the Wii U performed similarily to the GameCube in North America, where it sold OK, but Nintendo is stronger nowadays in Japan and especially Europe. Nintendo just basically conceeded Europe entirely during the N64/GCN days so they were really only selling in 2 markets ... well really 1 for GameCube because Japan never got into the GCN either after Smash Bros. Melee. 

Do you have any figures? And you don't seriously believe any modern day console could seriously sell less than the GC? I don't even see the Vita doing that bad unless its discontinued.


Dude re-read what I said, lol. I never said what you implied, in fact I said the opposite.

Also the Gamecube sold 660k its first month in North America. Which is more than Wii or Wii U, though the Wii was extremely supply constrained, probably could've sold 2-3x more. 

So the GC did better than Wii lol, why even mention the GC if it had a wonderful launch and still sold less than 23 million consoles lifetime. It launched better than Wii. Also I love the fact you keep ignoring the fact that the WiiU has had reports of it being mostly sold out. Yet you brought up the Wii having supply problems and not the reports of the WiiU having the same.


The GameCube did sell OK in North America. If you bothered to actually read my post I pointed out clearly the reason the GCN ended up with such a low userbase is that it got very little juice from the European (4 million life) and Japanese (3 million life time) markets and at the very least, Nintendo has made very large strides in those markets. 

The Wii U demand is not anything like the Wii demand though. The Wii U is selling right at about the level Nintendo is shipping at, which is lower than the GameCube, so that's not exactly anything to throw a party over.

The Wii only sold about the same, but its highly disingenious to try and spin that the Wii U is just like the Wii. Hell no. Anyone around in 2006 will tell you something really unprecidented was happening with the Wii. 

There were line-ups for *re-stocking* the Wii, not just launch. I had to line up at 8 AM to get a Wii in December 2006 and I got the very system. There were about 20 people behind me that went home empty handed. Wii could've sold 2-3x more easily in 2006, Wii U is selling right around where the demand is IMO. 

Who cares about the WiiU being no where near the Wii's level of demand lol. And I don't care about your speculation, those reports of figures said the WiiU is basically sold out so no you are wrong, Ninty isn't shipping at demand. Also are you saying the WiiU will sell less than GC? If so you are going to eat so much crow lol.


Dude. Learn. To. Read.

Seriously.

I've never said the Wii U will sell less than the GameCube, in fact I pointed out to you very clearly on two occassions now why that is virtually impossible (based on actual market logic, not "lol, Nintendo is awesome no way they could undersell the GameCube"). 



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CCFanboy on 09 December 2012
Soundwave said:

The problem with your logic is you're operating in a fantasy land where Nintendo has the same credibility with the audience games like Assassin's Creed and Call of Duty and what not attract. 

That is Microsoft-Sony-country and Nintendo's basically let them have that audience all to themselves for the last 6-7 years. You may say "well that's not fair! what about Sony and MS". Sony and MS don't need to prove anything to that audience, they own that audience and get the benefit of the doubt. That's not fair, but guess what. Life isn't fair.


This has nothing to do with call of duty. I am living in the real world. The problem with call of duty is it cannot carry you along forever. Eventually people will bore of it. This is why nintendo is being smart in broadening their horizons. For the multiplats people will buy them if they want them on nintendo. That was the point I was making. They don't care who has the 'best version'. I have a feeling most people still wouldn't have bought call of duty if it was the best version. It isn't aimed at ps3 and 360 owners. It is aimed at the nintendo fans that want it.

You are putting too much emphasis on horse power. Consumers are not drawn to a console because it has the best looking games. Tell me now if nintendo released a console as powerful as you want would epic or bethesda be here?



One more thing to complete my year = senran kagura localization =D

runqvist on 09 December 2012
phenom08 said:
runqvist said:

The point is that even GC had a good launch and there is a real possibility that Wii U will be the next GC when it comes to sales.

There is a real possibility any new platform could be the next GC lol.

Of course it is a possibility for every console. Bigger chance for some, almost nonexistant for some other, but it is still a possibility.



phenom08 on 09 December 2012
Soundwave said:
phenom08 said:
Soundwave said:
phenom08 said:
Soundwave said:
phenom08 said:
Soundwave said:

GameCube sold more than the Wii U did at launch.

GameCube actually had a very solid launch. The XBox had a *great* launch, considering it was a new system, but that was largely buoyed by having Halo.

The wheels on the GameCube fell off in 2002 though.

I wouldn't be shocked if the Wii U performed similarily to the GameCube in North America, where it sold OK, but Nintendo is stronger nowadays in Japan and especially Europe. Nintendo just basically conceeded Europe entirely during the N64/GCN days so they were really only selling in 2 markets ... well really 1 for GameCube because Japan never got into the GCN either after Smash Bros. Melee. 

Do you have any figures? And you don't seriously believe any modern day console could seriously sell less than the GC? I don't even see the Vita doing that bad unless its discontinued.


Dude re-read what I said, lol. I never said what you implied, in fact I said the opposite.

Also the Gamecube sold 660k its first month in North America. Which is more than Wii or Wii U, though the Wii was extremely supply constrained, probably could've sold 2-3x more. 

So the GC did better than Wii lol, why even mention the GC if it had a wonderful launch and still sold less than 23 million consoles lifetime. It launched better than Wii. Also I love the fact you keep ignoring the fact that the WiiU has had reports of it being mostly sold out. Yet you brought up the Wii having supply problems and not the reports of the WiiU having the same.


The GameCube did sell OK in North America. If you bothered to actually read my post I pointed out clearly the reason the GCN ended up with such a low userbase is that it got very little juice from the European (4 million life) and Japanese (3 million life time) markets and at the very least, Nintendo has made very large strides in those markets. 

The Wii U demand is not anything like the Wii demand though. The Wii U is selling right at about the level Nintendo is shipping at, which is lower than the GameCube, so that's not exactly anything to throw a party over.

The Wii only sold about the same, but its highly disingenious to try and spin that the Wii U is just like the Wii. Hell no. Anyone around in 2006 will tell you something really unprecidented was happening with the Wii. 

There were line-ups for *re-stocking* the Wii, not just launch. I had to line up at 8 AM to get a Wii in December 2006 and I got the very system. There were about 20 people behind me that went home empty handed. Wii could've sold 2-3x more easily in 2006, Wii U is selling right around where the demand is IMO. 

Who cares about the WiiU being no where near the Wii's level of demand lol. And I don't care about your speculation, those reports of figures said the WiiU is basically sold out so no you are wrong, Ninty isn't shipping at demand. Also are you saying the WiiU will sell less than GC? If so you are going to eat so much crow lol.


Dude. Learn. To. Read.

Seriously.

I've never said the Wii U will sell less than the GameCube, in fact I pointed out to you very clearly on two occassions now why that is virtually impossible (based on actual market logic, not "lol, Nintendo is awesome no way they could undersell the GameCube"). 

Are you sure you can read lol, where did I say you said that? I asked if you thought it would lol, so Dude. Learn. To. Read.



phenom08 on 09 December 2012
runqvist said:
phenom08 said:
runqvist said:

The point is that even GC had a good launch and there is a real possibility that Wii U will be the next GC when it comes to sales.

There is a real possibility any new platform could be the next GC lol.

Of course it is a possibility for every console. Bigger chance for some, almost nonexistant for some other, but it is still a possibility.

No it isn't a bigger chance for some, until it passes the GC it has a chance to be the "next GC".



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Soundwave on 09 December 2012
CCFanboy said:
Soundwave said:

The problem with your logic is you're operating in a fantasy land where Nintendo has the same credibility with the audience games like Assassin's Creed and Call of Duty and what not attract. 

That is Microsoft-Sony-country and Nintendo's basically let them have that audience all to themselves for the last 6-7 years. You may say "well that's not fair! what about Sony and MS". Sony and MS don't need to prove anything to that audience, they own that audience and get the benefit of the doubt. That's not fair, but guess what. Life isn't fair.


This has nothing to do with call of duty. I am living in the real world. The problem with call of duty is it cannot carry you along forever. Eventually people will bore of it. This is why nintendo is being smart in broadening their horizons. For the multiplats people will buy them if they want them on nintendo. That was the point I was making. They don't care who has the 'best version'. I have a feeling most people still wouldn't have bought call of duty if it was the best version. It isn't aimed at ps3 and 360 owners. It is aimed at the nintendo fans that want it.

You are putting too much emphasis on horse power. Consumers are not drawn to a console because it has the best looking games. Tell me now if nintendo released a console as powerful as you want would epic or bethesda be here?

Call of Duty is hardly carrying the 360/PS3. That would be like saying Mario carried the NES -- pretty sure the NES also had Zelda, Double Dragon, Tetris, Metroid, Contra, Final Fantasy, Megman, Castlevania, Metal Gear, Duck Tales, Ninja Turtles, ... in fact it had all the games that most people cared about. 

Today for many gamers Nintendo gives them a handful on Nintendo IP (like 4-5 major ones), but for anything else they play on Playstation or XBox. 

And straight ports are not going to change that perception that most gamers have. The onus is on Nintendo to bring more to the table. MS and Sony don't have anything to prove, they've earned credibility with this audience by giving them mountains worth of content, be it all the big gun third party games or even big time core internal releases like Halo, Gears, Uncharted, or God of War.



Nintendoninja on 09 December 2012

I really don't think there's much chance that the Wii U will "fail" as a venture. It's almost certainly going to make money for Nintendo. If by fail you mean sell poorly compared to next-gen competition/previous Nintendo consoles, it would be hard to sell only GameCube-level numbers since Nintendo isn't nearly as isolated to North America as it was in those days, as Soundwave said. So that's an almost guaranteed minimum of success. I also don't think the Wii U will miss out on many third-party games. If the next-gen game engines are as scalable as some of the developers have claimed, they shouldn't have much trouble making Wii U versions, even if they are lazy ports. The devs aren't going to turn down easy money.

However, let's say the worst happens: the Wii U sells substantially less than the Sony and Microsoft boxes and it's technologically inferior enough to miss out on the high-profile games. Nintendo has the cash reserves to survive the entire gen, so they definitely don't go out of business over one product's poor performance, and they probably still make most of the games that they were planning on making if the Wii U was a roaring success. As for the gamers, we fare no worse than during the Wii's lifetime, missing out on mainstream releases but enjoying a bunch of Nintendo titles.

When the Wii U was unveiled, I hoped that this could be the generation that brings back the NES/SNES days of the Nintendo console getting both the biggest third-party games and Nintendo's classics (and that's still a possibility at this point). If it doesn't work out that way, then it's nothing that Nintendo fans haven't been used to for 15 years.



runqvist on 09 December 2012
phenom08 said:
runqvist said:
phenom08 said:
runqvist said:

The point is that even GC had a good launch and there is a real possibility that Wii U will be the next GC when it comes to sales.

There is a real possibility any new platform could be the next GC lol.

Of course it is a possibility for every console. Bigger chance for some, almost nonexistant for some other, but it is still a possibility.

No it isn't a bigger chance for some, until it passes the GC it has a chance to be the "next GC".

Good, now you are starting to agree with me. The likelihood of such fate for a console is different for each manufacturer, because all of the next gen consoles will be different. The difference could be the (first party) exclusives, third party multiplatforms or lack of those, hardware or just the image which each console will get.



phenom08 on 09 December 2012
Soundwave said:
CCFanboy said:
Soundwave said:

The problem with your logic is you're operating in a fantasy land where Nintendo has the same credibility with the audience games like Assassin's Creed and Call of Duty and what not attract. 

That is Microsoft-Sony-country and Nintendo's basically let them have that audience all to themselves for the last 6-7 years. You may say "well that's not fair! what about Sony and MS". Sony and MS don't need to prove anything to that audience, they own that audience and get the benefit of the doubt. That's not fair, but guess what. Life isn't fair.


This has nothing to do with call of duty. I am living in the real world. The problem with call of duty is it cannot carry you along forever. Eventually people will bore of it. This is why nintendo is being smart in broadening their horizons. For the multiplats people will buy them if they want them on nintendo. That was the point I was making. They don't care who has the 'best version'. I have a feeling most people still wouldn't have bought call of duty if it was the best version. It isn't aimed at ps3 and 360 owners. It is aimed at the nintendo fans that want it.

You are putting too much emphasis on horse power. Consumers are not drawn to a console because it has the best looking games. Tell me now if nintendo released a console as powerful as you want would epic or bethesda be here?

Call of Duty is hardly carrying the 360/PS3. That would be like saying Mario carried the NES -- pretty sure the NES also had Zelda, Metroid, Contra, Final Fantasy, Megman, Castlevania ... in fact it had all the games that most people cared about. 

Today for many gamers Nintendo gives them a handful on Nintendo IP (like 4-5 major ones), but for anything else they play on Playstation or XBox. 

And straight ports are not going to change that perception that most gamers have. The onus is on Nintendo to bring more to the table. MS and Sony don't have anything to prove, they've earned credibility with this audience by giving them mountains worth of content, be it all the big gun third party games or even big time core internal releases like Halo, Gears, Uncharted, or God of War.

And this is why no one takes you seriously.



phenom08 on 09 December 2012
runqvist said:
phenom08 said:
runqvist said:
phenom08 said:
runqvist said:

The point is that even GC had a good launch and there is a real possibility that Wii U will be the next GC when it comes to sales.

There is a real possibility any new platform could be the next GC lol.

Of course it is a possibility for every console. Bigger chance for some, almost nonexistant for some other, but it is still a possibility.

No it isn't a bigger chance for some, until it passes the GC it has a chance to be the "next GC".

Good, now you are starting to agree with me. The likelihood of such fate for a console is different for each manufacturer, because all of the next gen consoles will be different. The difference could be the (first party) exclusives, third party multiplatforms or lack of those, hardware or just the image which each console will get.

Are you sure you read that correctly?