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happydolphin on 28 November 2012
TheShape31 said:

@happydolphin-

Again, one can use any number of launch window titles to make that point.  Opposed to someone simply saying that "Nintendo sucks".  The assumption that Sensei's comment was meant in a derogatory way says more about those reading the statement than the original statement itself.  Instead of jumping to conclusions right away, why not attempt to engage Sensei in discussion in order to allow them to explain things more?  If someone thinks that Sensei is off base, then why not set an example of how to communicate instead of using threats and namecalling (yes, using the term 'troll' is namecalling).

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Simply put, if you want people to act a certain way, help to set the example yourself (rather than taking cheapshots about "2007" and "Bethesda").  You come off just as bad as Sensei, if not worse.  If partisanship is a problem, be part of the solution.

I agree with the discussion part, and talking reason with people, but don't tell me the opinion was reasonable, that I won't accept.



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TheShape31 on 28 November 2012
osed125 said:

TheShape31 said:

  But saying that the Wii U's graphical potential has already been reached isn't out of the realm of discussion.  One could argue that the titles within the launch window of any previous Nintendo console showed the system's full potential. 

[seriously?]


NES - Super Mario Bros., Excitebike, etc.

SNES - Super Mario World, F-Zero, Pilotwings, etc.

N64 - Mario 64, Pilotwings 64, Waverace 64, etc.

Gamecube - Rogue Squadron II, Wave Race, Luigi's Mansion, etc.

 

It is very arguable that certain launch titles have certainly shown all that the console was capable of doing.  How many games looked better than Rogue Squadron II?  Or Waverace 64?  LIke I said, this could be a point for point discussion based on historical trends.  Ninendo has always released hardware that's easy to develop for.  Graphical potential can be reached right off the bat.

And that discussion is nothing at all the same as someone saying "Nintendo sucks", etc.

Perhaps most people in this forum would disagree with everything I've said in about Nintendo launch games.  And that's fine.  But by no means is my main point worthy of moderation.  And that's the point of it all.  What Sensei said was fine, regardless of how many would agree with him.



Mr Khan on 28 November 2012
TheShape31 said:
Mr Khan said:

All this seems to come down to are those who seem to think that the Wii U's potential has already been reached, which, surprise surprise, seems to fall along console lines (and yet more ironically, be mostly Sony fans who seem to have erased the year 2007 and the name Bethesda from their minds)

So you allow partisanship to dictate your moderations?  You just assume that someone is a "fanboy" because they doubt one system's particular hardware capabilities?  I will criticise every console all the same because they all have their faults.  This "Us vs Them" mentality is what helps to perpetuate the issues you say you set out to prevent.  We're just going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

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@happydolphin-

Again, one can use any number of launch window titles to make that point.  Opposed to someone simply saying that "Nintendo sucks".  The assumption that Sensei's comment was meant in a derogatory way says more about those reading the statement than the original statement itself.  Instead of jumping to conclusions right away, why not attempt to engage Sensei in discussion in order to allow them to explain things more?  If someone thinks that Sensei is off base, then why not set an example of how to communicate instead of using threats and namecalling (yes, using the term 'troll' is namecalling).

-------------------------------

Simply put, if you want people to act a certain way, help to set the example yourself (rather than taking cheapshots about "2007" and "Bethesda").  You come off just as bad as Sensei, if not worse.  If partisanship is a problem, be part of the solution.

You seem determined to twist my actions into something they're not. I'm saying that Sony fans should *symapthize* with Nintendo fans on this, and that the lack of sympathy shows forgetfulness of the time when the PS3 was subjected to a train of poorly-optimized ports, or of companies like Bethesda which refuse to shape up even at the end of the generation. Instead, many posters just trip over themselves in the rush to blame Nintendo and condemn the Wii U.



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TheShape31 on 28 November 2012
happydolphin said:
TheShape31 said:

@happydolphin-

Again, one can use any number of launch window titles to make that point.  Opposed to someone simply saying that "Nintendo sucks".  The assumption that Sensei's comment was meant in a derogatory way says more about those reading the statement than the original statement itself.  Instead of jumping to conclusions right away, why not attempt to engage Sensei in discussion in order to allow them to explain things more?  If someone thinks that Sensei is off base, then why not set an example of how to communicate instead of using threats and namecalling (yes, using the term 'troll' is namecalling).

-------------------------------

Simply put, if you want people to act a certain way, help to set the example yourself (rather than taking cheapshots about "2007" and "Bethesda").  You come off just as bad as Sensei, if not worse.  If partisanship is a problem, be part of the solution.

I agree with the discussion part, and talking reason with people, but don't tell me the opinion was reasonable, that I won't accept.


That's fine to disagree with how reasonable Sensei's statement was, that's your opinion.  I might say, "all living things are equal".  And someone else could find that statement completely unreasonable.  But that's fine.  What's not fine is someone stepping in to threaten me because my opinion seems so radical.  'Reasonable' is a subjective term, and that's something to be discussed.  So as we both agree, let's discuss rather than outright dismiss opinions in this forum.



kain_kusanagi on 28 November 2012
Mr Khan said:
TheShape31 said:
Mr Khan said:
 

All this seems to come down to are those who seem to think that the Wii U's potential has already been reached, which, surprise surprise, seems to fall along console lines (and yet more ironically, be mostly Sony fans who seem to have erased the year 2007 and the name Bethesda from their minds)

So you allow partisanship to dictate your moderations?  You just assume that someone is a "fanboy" because they doubt one system's particular hardware capabilities?  I will criticise every console all the same because they all have their faults.  This "Us vs Them" mentality is what helps to perpetuate the issues you say you set out to prevent.  We're just going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

-------------------------------

@happydolphin-

Again, one can use any number of launch window titles to make that point.  Opposed to someone simply saying that "Nintendo sucks".  The assumption that Sensei's comment was meant in a derogatory way says more about those reading the statement than the original statement itself.  Instead of jumping to conclusions right away, why not attempt to engage Sensei in discussion in order to allow them to explain things more?  If someone thinks that Sensei is off base, then why not set an example of how to communicate instead of using threats and namecalling (yes, using the term 'troll' is namecalling).

-------------------------------

Simply put, if you want people to act a certain way, help to set the example yourself (rather than taking cheapshots about "2007" and "Bethesda").  You come off just as bad as Sensei, if not worse.  If partisanship is a problem, be part of the solution.

You seem determined to twist my actions into something they're not. I'm saying that Sony fans should *symapthize* with Nintendo fans on this, and that the lack of sympathy shows forgetfulness of the time when the PS3 was subjected to a train of poorly-optimized ports, or of companies like Bethesda which refuse to shape up even at the end of the generation. Instead, many posters just trip over themselves in the rush to blame Nintendo and condemn the Wii U.

I don't want to get into too much of this topic, but there is a difference between the PS3 and Wii U that you may not be considering. Sony built the PS3 to be a powerhouse of it's time. Whether they succeeded or not is debatable, but they tried. The PS3 was powerfull when it came out, but it was so difficult to program for that ports were shabby and even to this day it has not lived up to the potential that Sony claimed. The Wii U, on the other hand, was designed to be comparitivly easier to program for, but Nintendo didn't design it to be a powerhouse. They designed it to be less expensive and banked on the Wii U Pad as it's main advancement. So while it is more capable than both the Xbox 360 and PS3 and easy to develope games for, it may not have the kind of graphical power to enhance ports beyond a full 720p resolution.



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TheShape31 on 28 November 2012
Mr Khan said:
TheShape31 said:
Mr Khan said:
 

All this seems to come down to are those who seem to think that the Wii U's potential has already been reached, which, surprise surprise, seems to fall along console lines (and yet more ironically, be mostly Sony fans who seem to have erased the year 2007 and the name Bethesda from their minds)

So you allow partisanship to dictate your moderations?  You just assume that someone is a "fanboy" because they doubt one system's particular hardware capabilities?  I will criticise every console all the same because they all have their faults.  This "Us vs Them" mentality is what helps to perpetuate the issues you say you set out to prevent.  We're just going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

-------------------------------

@happydolphin-

Again, one can use any number of launch window titles to make that point.  Opposed to someone simply saying that "Nintendo sucks".  The assumption that Sensei's comment was meant in a derogatory way says more about those reading the statement than the original statement itself.  Instead of jumping to conclusions right away, why not attempt to engage Sensei in discussion in order to allow them to explain things more?  If someone thinks that Sensei is off base, then why not set an example of how to communicate instead of using threats and namecalling (yes, using the term 'troll' is namecalling).

-------------------------------

Simply put, if you want people to act a certain way, help to set the example yourself (rather than taking cheapshots about "2007" and "Bethesda").  You come off just as bad as Sensei, if not worse.  If partisanship is a problem, be part of the solution.

You seem determined to twist my actions into something they're not. I'm saying that Sony fans should *symapthize* with Nintendo fans on this, and that the lack of sympathy shows forgetfulness of the time when the PS3 was subjected to a train of poorly-optimized ports, or of companies like Bethesda which refuse to shape up even at the end of the generation. Instead, many posters just trip over themselves in the rush to blame Nintendo and condemn the Wii U.

I realize that people like to take sides and condemn other consoles from time to time.  We're talking about young folks playing video games here, it happens.  But I simply did not feel that Sensei's comment was out of line.  Obviously his signature implies how much he enjoys the Playstation brand.  But what if the Wii U really is as weak as he says?  If it's not, we can all look back and have a good laugh.  He could be completely wrong, and others have every right to disagree as much as they'd like.  But it's an idea that is worth discussing as much as any other.  No moderation (or threats) necessary.



ROBOTECHHEAVEN on 28 November 2012

the game is just fine on the wiiu, as far as i am concerned. :)
also ppl have to realize that the wiiu is a heavy focused gpgpu system and not a cpu system like the 360/ps3 and if u dont build the game around that then the system will struggle do to the slower cpu , which was intended to be that way. when a dev takes the time to use the wiiu properly then u will see graphics that show the wiiu is next-gen and can do alot of things the 360/ps3 cant dream of, simple as that......



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osed125 on 28 November 2012
TheShape31 said:
osed125 said:

TheShape31 said:

  But saying that the Wii U's graphical potential has already been reached isn't out of the realm of discussion.  One could argue that the titles within the launch window of any previous Nintendo console showed the system's full potential. 

[seriously?]


NES - Super Mario Bros., Excitebike, etc.

SNES - Super Mario World, F-Zero, Pilotwings, etc.

N64 - Mario 64, Pilotwings 64, Waverace 64, etc.

Gamecube - Rogue Squadron II, Wave Race, Luigi's Mansion, etc.

 

It is very arguable that certain launch titles have certainly shown all that the console was capable of doing.  How many games looked better than Rogue Squadron II?  Or Waverace 64?  LIke I said, this could be a point for point discussion based on historical trends.  Ninendo has always released hardware that's easy to develop for.  Graphical potential can be reached right off the bat.

And that discussion is nothing at all the same as someone saying "Nintendo sucks", etc.

Perhaps most people in this forum would disagree with everything I've said in about Nintendo launch games.  And that's fine.  But by no means is my main point worthy of moderation.  And that's the point of it all.  What Sensei said was fine, regardless of how many would agree with him.

SNES

N64

GC

All lauch tittles (except Final Fantasy IV) vs later tittles. I try to use "similar" art style for the games.



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Mr Khan on 28 November 2012
TheShape31 said:
Mr Khan said:
TheShape31 said:
Mr Khan said:
 

All this seems to come down to are those who seem to think that the Wii U's potential has already been reached, which, surprise surprise, seems to fall along console lines (and yet more ironically, be mostly Sony fans who seem to have erased the year 2007 and the name Bethesda from their minds)

So you allow partisanship to dictate your moderations?  You just assume that someone is a "fanboy" because they doubt one system's particular hardware capabilities?  I will criticise every console all the same because they all have their faults.  This "Us vs Them" mentality is what helps to perpetuate the issues you say you set out to prevent.  We're just going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

-------------------------------

@happydolphin-

Again, one can use any number of launch window titles to make that point.  Opposed to someone simply saying that "Nintendo sucks".  The assumption that Sensei's comment was meant in a derogatory way says more about those reading the statement than the original statement itself.  Instead of jumping to conclusions right away, why not attempt to engage Sensei in discussion in order to allow them to explain things more?  If someone thinks that Sensei is off base, then why not set an example of how to communicate instead of using threats and namecalling (yes, using the term 'troll' is namecalling).

-------------------------------

Simply put, if you want people to act a certain way, help to set the example yourself (rather than taking cheapshots about "2007" and "Bethesda").  You come off just as bad as Sensei, if not worse.  If partisanship is a problem, be part of the solution.

You seem determined to twist my actions into something they're not. I'm saying that Sony fans should *symapthize* with Nintendo fans on this, and that the lack of sympathy shows forgetfulness of the time when the PS3 was subjected to a train of poorly-optimized ports, or of companies like Bethesda which refuse to shape up even at the end of the generation. Instead, many posters just trip over themselves in the rush to blame Nintendo and condemn the Wii U.

I realize that people like to take sides and condemn other consoles from time to time.  We're talking about young folks playing video games here, it happens.  But I simply did not feel that Sensei's comment was out of line.  Obviously his signature implies how much he enjoys the Playstation brand.  But what if the Wii U really is as weak as he says?  If it's not, we can all look back and have a good laugh.  He could be completely wrong, and others have every right to disagree as much as they'd like.  But it's an idea that is worth discussing as much as any other.  No moderation (or threats) necessary.

Bottom line here is that if you're going to make a generalized claim that's likely to make someone mad, you had better back it up. Simply saying things that aren't facts like they are (which is called lying) is going to be bad for things.

Of course, this whole thread has been horribly derailed.



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TheShape31 on 28 November 2012
osed125 said:
TheShape31 said:
osed125 said:

TheShape31 said:

  But saying that the Wii U's graphical potential has already been reached isn't out of the realm of discussion.  One could argue that the titles within the launch window of any previous Nintendo console showed the system's full potential. 

[seriously?]


NES - Super Mario Bros., Excitebike, etc.

SNES - Super Mario World, F-Zero, Pilotwings, etc.

N64 - Mario 64, Pilotwings 64, Waverace 64, etc.

Gamecube - Rogue Squadron II, Wave Race, Luigi's Mansion, etc.

 

It is very arguable that certain launch titles have certainly shown all that the console was capable of doing.  How many games looked better than Rogue Squadron II?  Or Waverace 64?  LIke I said, this could be a point for point discussion based on historical trends.  Ninendo has always released hardware that's easy to develop for.  Graphical potential can be reached right off the bat.

And that discussion is nothing at all the same as someone saying "Nintendo sucks", etc.

Perhaps most people in this forum would disagree with everything I've said in about Nintendo launch games.  And that's fine.  But by no means is my main point worthy of moderation.  And that's the point of it all.  What Sensei said was fine, regardless of how many would agree with him.

All lauch tittles (except Final Fantasy IV) vs later tittles. I try to use "similar" art style for the games.


And I can cherry pick titles that show different results.  But whether you feel I'm right or wrong, it's not an issue for the moderator to get involved in.  

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@Mr Khan-

The potential of the Wii U is arguable at this point considering that it just launched.  However unreasonable you believe Sensei's statement to be, it's not called "lying" just because you disagree with it.  It can't be lying if it can't be proven.  And it can't be proven because it's a brand new console.  If he'd said that Wii U isn't powerful enough to play Kinect Sports, that's lying.  That would be a case where he's only be out to make people angry.  Perhaps Sensei should have worded his comment differently, but it's just not worthy of moderation.

I agree we've gotten far off topic, but I'm not sorry we had this discussion.  If we can't chat about this type of stuff, then there's no point in having a forum.  I appreciate your opinion in the matter, even if we disagree.