LOL, both those games were mediocore at best. If thats the support you want, then jeez. 

Both games scored above 80 on Metacritic, but I agree that No More Heroes wasn't too good. Zack & Wiki, on the other hand, was a rather unique and well-executed traditional adventure game. I'd love to see more games like it. :(

See, i liked No More Heroes. The "poor quality" in the overworld i interpreted artistically (which is odd, because i *never* do that), but the game just dripped with personality and the combat was just varied enough to keep it from getting boring, and over-the-top enough to make up for that.

I liked the plot and combat of NMH, but altogether it strikes me as being style over substance. :/ However, the sequel was pretty good. Seems more focused and polished to me.

exactly how i feel about NMHs, the enemies were bland, the environments were bland, the combat has been done better in a bunch of other games. It truly is style over substance, I HATED having to shake my Wiimote/Move to charge up like i was jerking, killed the game for me right there. Never tried the sequel, the original put me off to much. I'll give you Zak and Wiki

Heh, opposite opinion here. I felt that the sequel just wasn't as memorable. The bosses were more "meh" (a few of them stood up to NMH's high standard, namely Captain Vladimir the Cosmonaut, Margaret Moonlight and Alice Twilight, but Sir Henry Motherfucker was right about the final boss being too stupid to put up with, and the retro minigames generally weren't as good, except for the Bomberman-esque exterminator game).

Obligatory post of "Philistine."

I felt they were about even, boss-wise. Overall I thought the sequel did a better job of balancing fun gameplay along with constant mockery of gaming convention, without sacrificing much in the way of fun. Though in hindshight, NMH2 focused more on getting rid of what didn't completely work in the first game as opposed to making radical changes to the formula.

Batman Arkham City "stealth" elements is the core of the game and is really quite nice. Open ended problem solving using wide variety of tools and environment. The game wont "fail" mission just because you alerted goons. You just can't take bullet attacks and survive so best to at least take out the armed goons carefully before you go into action game mode. Having played on PS3 and Wii U... as I said there are some + points and some - points for the Wii U version.

The game has high learning curve for you to really start to love it and the Gamepad does make it more easier if you know what your doing controls wise, but it also exposes a lot of early confusing options and details before the game has got around to explaining those during the earlier progression of the game. See the game basically starts you with all the upgrades you would have got in first game... so this isn't like Metroid Prime where you lose abilities and have to re-gain them. In PS3 version it doesn't make you use some of those features until they intro within game, while Gamepad exposes the options earlier. This makes it harder for new players to grow into the game. Story wise also the game assumes you played the first one and know whats up. You get some details on past game by paying attention to radio chatter or listening to goons talking to each other during the game but there is no intro recap type video.

The other down side of the Wii U version is that some of the areas or situations the Wii U version has too much bloom lighting or poor textures happening. As you may know, the Wii U tends to display 3rd party game ports more bright and vibrant. This is a plus point for Call of Duty Black Ops 2, Assassin's Creed 3, and also Ninja Gaiden. Those games look better on Wii U (my opinion, but also others online have compare videos etc about it). Anyway, in Batman the color tones or bloom lighting or something... there is something a little off in some of the areas. You will notice it and find it to be ugly graphics sometimes. In door areas are generally just like PS3 but outdoor areas sometimes just don't look right. I don't know if you would notice that if you havent played PS3 and I presume same for X360 version of Batman... but I do.