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Am I right in my analysis?

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DanneSandin on 23 November 2012
platformmaster918 said:
DanneSandin said:
HappySqurriel said:
Honestly, while I think it is a bad strategy in general, I think that if either manufacturer produces a (relatively) low performance system it only weakens both Sony and Microsoft; and it strengthens Nintendo.

Because they could release the same game across the PS3, XBox 360 and PC with (relatively) minor changes, third party publishers could ignore the Wii and target the bulk of their big titles to these platforms. If the PS4 and Wii U make a good choice for cross platform development and you need significantly higher budgets to produce a "true" XBox 720 game, the Wii U will get more third party support and the XBox 720 will get mostly enhanced ports ... For Sony, this means that they are in direct competition with a system that has Nintendo's first party developers and many of the same big third party titles as they have (who has a year head start which will likely translate into games selling better on that platform); and Microsoft has many of the same problems with the added issue that their system costs users more and (for the most part) demonstrates little in the way of added value.

I don't see how it is possible, but unless Sony and Microsoft both produce high end systems and can convince third party publishers to "shut-out" Nintendo I would expect their sales to fall.

Yes, I agree with that if the 3 consoles are similar in power Wii U will win next gen, simply because they have their 1st party games. But I don't know what else there is to do for Sony. MS could always up the specs, and try to gain market share by being the most powerful console. But what of Sony? What can they do? They can't compete with Nintendo's 1st party, nor can they compete in terms of power with MS, since MS have so much more money and can outspend Sony... No matter how things play out, I'm quite certain PS4 will end up last next gen.

Sony has the best first party and has a much more diverse lineup than MS.  They have a plethora of genres represented in their first party stable and that's what sold their system this gen.  It's going to put them in second place and at least around 90 million even though they've been the most expensive, a year late, had inferior online at first, had no software until late 07, and had complex architecture.  If they correct those mistakes they can easily sell 100 million.

"best 1st party line up" is a matter of opinion. Sadly, it's not the best games that sell systems. Arguably Nintendo has the best 1st party line up since those games sell like crazy, and I don't think it's Sony's 1st party games that sold PS3. Nintendo games sold GC and N64; 3rd party games sell every other console. All you have to do is look at the top 10 best selling games on PS360 to see this. But I agree that their 1st party offering is a whole lotta better than MS's... but that's just my opinion =)



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DanneSandin on 23 November 2012
runqvist said:
DanneSandin said:

Yes, I agree with that if the 3 consoles are similar in power Wii U will win next gen, simply because they have their 1st party games.


Like the gamecube and N64 did, right?

What you're forgetting is that back then, 3rd party games were exclusive in a much larger degree, making your argument invalid.



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DanneSandin on 23 November 2012
Jay520 said:
DanneSandin said:
Jay520 said:
DanneSandin said:

Yes, I agree with that if the 3 consoles are similar in power Wii U will win next gen, simply because they have their 1st party games. But I don't know what else there is to do for Sony. MS could always up the specs, and try to gain market share by being the most powerful console. But what of Sony? What can they do? They can't compete with Nintendo's 1st party, nor can they compete in terms of power with MS, since MS have so much more money and can outspend Sony... No matter how things play out, I'm quite certain PS4 will end up last next gen.

Power shouldn't even be a factor when deciding who will win next generation. This gen has showed a negative correlation with power and sales.

Ah, but Wii had the secret weapon of motion controls. Being number 1 often means having something that the competitions don't have. So I agree; power isn't everything PS1&2 had superior 3rd party support. Wii had motion controls. We'll have to wait and see what next gen will have.


But power has never (ever) been a major factor for sales.

Sooo the PS360 selling so well is because....? 3rd party support I guess. And why did they receive good 3rd party support and not Wii? Could it... could it be because they were moar powerful?? If the Wii were just as powerful as PS360 I know you could take away a few millions off the PS360 sales numbers... But I agree that raw power has never won a gen. Ever.



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DanneSandin on 23 November 2012
zumnupy10 said:
DanneSandin said:
weaveworld said:
Since Sony is in seriously bad weather they may even delay bringing a next console to the market.
The Microsoft plan sounds really half-ass to me. Maybe i don't see the point yet, im a slow learner they say ;P.

Anyways, as i think next-gen isn't really nescesarry at the moment (yeah that's just personal) sony might be able to profit from the early release of the next xbox and continue to dominate 'this gen'. I don't know if developers will buy that. It would make room for more smaller companies to step in on the market and maybe we get to see some gems like in the days of old.

I personally think that delaying ps4 to 2014 would be a mistake and they'd end up in last place next gen... Which in turn could mean that it's the last playstation. At the very latest PS4 will launch in spring 2014. And that's pushing it.

I guess the Xbox Lite (I like that name more) would be for those who's interested in Apple TV or whatever it's called. It's also a great competitor against the Wii U for those who likes the features of Wii U but don't wanna play the games... There's a lot of people out there not playing games, and wouldn't pay for a gaming console. But an entertainment box with the added bonus of some light hearted games on the other hand...

I really disagree with the overall opinion that Sony has to be Nº 1, next gen.

Being on the top in sales is great.  But being profitable is far more important for Sony nowadays.

If they had to choose between being Nº 1 in sales but lose money in the process or Sell less but get a good profit.

I think they would go with the second option.

I think you and I are on the same page here. I'm saying exactly the same thing as you are. PS4 needs to be profitable for Sony. And that's why I think it'll be closer to Wii U's power.



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Jay520 on 23 November 2012
DanneSandin said:

Sooo the PS360 selling so well is because....? 3rd party support I guess. And why did they receive good 3rd party support and not Wii? Could it... could it be because they were moar powerful?? If the Wii were just as powerful as PS360 I know you could take away a few millions off the PS360 sales numbers... But I agree that raw power has never won a gen. Ever.


The PS3 and 360 could only achieve 3rd party support because they were BOTH powerful and developers could release their games to a mega installbase consisting of two consoles, with very little effort needed for ports. However, if only one console were powerful, which is what you're suggesting with the Nextbox, then that console would have failed individually. The Nextbox won't dominate 3rd party support if it's extremely more powerful than the other two consoles, or at least that's what history has shown us.



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Jay520 on 23 November 2012

Also, you're assuming that most developers would even be able to make games too powerful for the PS4. Most developers these days can't even maximize the PS3 and 360. If the PS4 is considerably more powerful than the PS3 (which it most likely will be), then I don't see most developers making games too powerful for the PS4 to handle. They especially wouldn't risk making such powerful games if the Nextbox is the only console to handle them.



KeptoKnight on 23 November 2012

So what you guys think Nextbox is upto? Will it be #1 in Power? or very similar in power as the PS4? We haven't heard ANYTHING from MS.

How powerful is PS4 from Wii-U? 15%, 20%, or 25%? <---speculation and guess since Wii-U somewhat in the "mystery" category but we mostly agree that it is about  20% more power than PS3?



runqvist on 23 November 2012
KeptoKnight said:

So what you guys think Nextbox is upto? Will it be #1 in Power? or very similar in power as the PS4? We haven't heard ANYTHING from MS.

How powerful is PS4 from Wii-U? 15%, 20%, or 25%? <---speculation and guess since Wii-U somewhat in the "mystery" category but we mostly agree that it is about  20% more power than PS3?


PS4 = 2-3x more powerful than wii u

Nextbox = 3-4x more powerful than wii u



DanneSandin on 23 November 2012
Jay520 said:
DanneSandin said:

Sooo the PS360 selling so well is because....? 3rd party support I guess. And why did they receive good 3rd party support and not Wii? Could it... could it be because they were moar powerful?? If the Wii were just as powerful as PS360 I know you could take away a few millions off the PS360 sales numbers... But I agree that raw power has never won a gen. Ever.


The PS3 and 360 could only achieve 3rd party support because they were BOTH powerful and developers could release their games to a mega installbase consisting of two consoles, with very little effort needed for ports. However, if only one console were powerful, which is what you're suggesting with the Nextbox, then that console would have failed individually. The Nextbox won't dominate 3rd party support if it's extremely more powerful than the other two consoles, or at least that's what history has shown us.

Jay520 said:
Also, you're assuming that most developers would even be able to make games too powerful for the PS4. Most developers these days can't even maximize the PS3 and 360. If the PS4 is considerably more powerful than the PS3 (which it most likely will be), then I don't see most developers making games too powerful for the PS4 to handle. They especially wouldn't risk making such powerful games if the Nextbox is the only console to handle them.

 

Regarding your first post; I'm actually agreeing that x3ox will be a relative failure if it's too powerful; it'll only receive ports from WiiStation that don't use the whole power of the console, meaning that MS will be throwing away money on specs that won't get utilized. And that's why I think that all 3 consoles will be similar in power and receive all 3rd party multiplats, and this could be why Wii U might win next gen imo.

I don't think I ever stated that devs will make games too powerful for PS4 to handle. If so, please link it cuz that has to be a mistake =p I think that Wii U and PS4 will be similar in power (but with PS4 being the strongest out of the 2). Devs will try to keep costs down as much as possible, even furthering my point of PS4 and Wii U being similar in power...



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Jay520 on 23 November 2012
DanneSandin said:

 

Regarding your first post; I'm actually agreeing that x3ox will be a relative failure if it's too powerful; it'll only receive ports from WiiStation that don't use the whole power of the console, meaning that MS will be throwing away money on specs that won't get utilized. And that's why I think that all 3 consoles will be similar in power and receive all 3rd party multiplats, and this could be why Wii U might win next gen imo.

I don't think I ever stated that devs will make games too powerful for PS4 to handle. If so, please link it cuz that has to be a mistake =p I think that Wii U and PS4 will be similar in power (but with PS4 being the strongest out of the 2). Devs will try to keep costs down as much as possible, even furthering my point of PS4 and Wii U being similar in power...

DanneSandin said:

Yes, I agree with that if the 3 consoles are similar in power Wii U will win next gen, simply because they have their 1st party games. But I don't know what else there is to do for Sony. MS could always up the specs, and try to gain market share by being the most powerful console. But what of Sony? What can they do? They can't compete with Nintendo's 1st party, nor can they compete in terms of power with MS, since MS have so much more money and can outspend Sony... No matter how things play out, I'm quite certain PS4 will end up last next gen.

Here, you're stating that Microsoft could make a powerful console and gain marketshare. The only way they could do this is if they dominated 3rd party support. And the only way the Nextbox could dominate 3rd party support via power is if the 3rd party games are too powerful to be fully experienced on the PS4 Otherwise, if the games were the same on the PS4, then there would be no reason the Nextbox would gain 3rd party support or why they would gain marketshare.

How else could the Nextbox use power to gain marketshare, if not by using that power to attract exclusive 3rd party support? That seems to be the only way power could theoretically lead to higher sales.