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zarx said:
Squilliam said:
zarx said:
Squilliam said:
It looks sexy but it kind of contradicts I guess the idea that they'd use X86 CPUs.


strange there was so much momentum building around x86. So Power 7 then? That is the only CPU architecture I can think of with 4 way multithreading.

Unless they are using something Magny-Cours, the Opteron 6136 has 2 4 core dies but that seems unlikely.

The rumours are crazy. They are going around in circles. I think there is some serious misinformation going around!


well it can't all be true if everything contradicts. There just seemed to be a lot of hints at a x86 CPU. 

I would personally go with X86 simply because it makes for a nice and neat all in one APU. I believe for instance than when the PS2 chips were combined they registered something like a 24% improvement in performance from that alone. I just decided to follow you because you're a Kiwi! Haha. How did you get so many developers to follow you on twitter?



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wfz said:
The more powerful consoles become, and the more I think about the situation, it boggles my mind as to why people get excited about new consoles being powerful when they can purchase gaming PCs that already exceed the power new consoles will bring us. It feels so weird to see "pretty good" PC specs and get excited over them just because it's a "video game console."

Yet I am also feeling those perplexing feelings when we see new information like this. I confuse even myself. Hmmm....


to me it is not only power which counts. yes, pc will be more powerful, so what? as long as there are no pc-exclusives i would really miss i will stay at consoles. especially when pc-games are very often ports from consoles... nowadays i prefer consoles for gaming as i a have the money for it and like the interface. not that i don't use pc's, as a computer scientist i work with them almost every day but i don't use them for gaming anymore.



i hope microsoft will tell us soon if backwards-compatibility to x360-games is given. if yes, it is a definite buy.



Squilliam said:

I would personally go with X86 simply because it makes for a nice and neat all in one APU. I believe for instance than when the PS2 chips were combined they registered something like a 24% improvement in performance from that alone. I just decided to follow you because you're a Kiwi! Haha. How did you get so many developers to follow you on twitter?


x86 does have it's advantages, especially if MS are going to use a modified Win8 kernal next gen as was rumoured a while back and if Sony are also going x86. It's not like they couldn't make an APU with a Power bassed CPU, tho going with AMD would probably be cheaper as they can create the one package under one roof.

The performance gains for having the GPU and CPU are pretty good mainly as they can share resorces and communicate so efficiently when the signal doesn't have to go across the motherboard lowering latency considerably, especialy with a unified memory achitecture. But it does somewhat limit the size of the CPU/GPU they can use.

IDK follow backs mostly, also I guess I tweeted about their games at some point. It's not that many anyway. 



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fighter said:

Adinnieken said:
The curves won't have that wide of a radius. That takes up too much internal space. A narrower curve would allow for a much better fit on the main PC board.

The PC board can easily be slightly curved itself or just smaller, regarding the loss of internal space due to the curve there is a precedent : PS3 phat

It won't have covered USB slots either. They're too central to the modern console, they require engineering that is expensive, and you can effectively provide them in a sleek form without hiding them behind a door.

360 covers already their front usb slots - would be weird if they ruin such a nice design by letting them open this time

Finally, the Blu-Ray drive won't be slot. While it's sleek and pretty, and my personal preference, slot drives are more expensive than their tray counterparts. There is no distinct advantage to a slot drive, just aesthetics.

again - PS3 precedents

I'm not convinced it'll have that design, despite their confidence. First, to put a HDD on the top of the machine in a vertical position is just screaming bad design. I also think any means of standing it upright will be integrated, rather than a separate feature.

I am neither convinced tbh, on the other hand I believe this might be Microsoft's way of having some feedback on their current design and some of it, if not most, might see the day.

not sure why you would consider the HDD on top as a bad design though, but then again, i could suffer from bad taste

I do like the integrated vent. I just don't think it would be sufficient to keep the console properly ventilated. There is going to have to be a place to have large vents to draw air in, which this seems to be missing.

Very true - especially considering the RROD experience.

my two cents

1.  It could be, but that all adds an expense.  I doubt they'd curve the PC board to fit that shape, so that leaves a smaller PC board.  A smaller PC board means wasted space.  Wasted space means an unnecessary cost.  That's either a burden consumers or Microsoft have to bear and I doubt either would.  You can do just as an effective design with a narrower radius, giving more room for everything inside.

2.  It's a matter of cost.  The axium Keep It Simple Stupid applies.  The simplier the design, the lower the cost and the fewer problems.  Also, a lot of people hate the door cover over the USB slots.  It requires the slots to be recessed, and it makes it more difficult to insert something into the slot.  Surface mount them in a smart way, and it'll look good and be functional.

3.  What prescedent.  The PS3 now uses a cheap-ass doored model.  A tray-load vs slot-load Blu-Ray drive is over 50% more expensive.  It makes more sense to put that money into the actual ICs rather than a blu-ray drive.

4.  The problem with putting the HDD on top, in that position (vertical) is that when the drive spins up there will be a gyroscopic effect.  It may not throw the device off-balance to knock it over, but it could create a vibration.  Even with a stand.  Putting it on the bottom, as it is with the Xbox 360 S, reduces the impact of any vibration the HDD creates.

I'm liking the venting more and more.  It works in any position, though it can be blocked.  It'd have to be 3 sided, not 4.  Reason being is you wouldn't want to draw air into the bottom because of dust if standing it vertically.  It'd also have to be on the front edge, not the side edge, as shown.  It'd be too easy block by setting something on top.  But that would offer the side/front edge a free floating look, which would be cool. 



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fighter said:
Adinnieken said:
zumnupy10 said:

Even if it's only announced in june at E3. We will have info leaks before that.

Besides if you read the original article in the OXM, it says we will see the new console before June.

 


Yeah...I remember when OXM said Metal Gear Solid 4 was coming to the Xbox 360.

Wait one second while I go grab my copy...oh yeah I can't because it didn't happen.

did they really announce MGS4 or just MGS?

and anyway - OXM says "see" the console, meaning the confirmed design will be revealed, not released.

MGS4.  This was LONG before MGS4 was released.  At least 6 months, and I think that was the second time they suggested the rumor.

I don't doubt OXM's capacity for being a mouthpiece for Microsoft, afterall that's part of why they are the Official Xbox Magazine, but they don't always get it right and Microsoft doesn't always stick to plans.  Again, look at the Surface.  Microsoft was very hush-hush about the Surface.  Even info on WP8 was kept close to the chest.  I think Microsoft is going to keep things close to the chest this cycle.  They don't need to promote the next Xbox like they had to the 360.  They can (whether they do is different) opt to use a single big event like E3 to reveal and showcase it.  Especially if there isn't much planned for a Fall release.

Basically, keep tight-lipped until E3.  Start out the E3 presentation all Xbox 360, selliing up the fact that the entire E3 presentation will cover what's new and exciting for Xbox 360 this coming year.  Then about 1/4 of the way through have someone interrupt the presentation and announce the next Xbox.  At that point have the remainder of the presentation switch over to the new Xbox.



I may not be a 360 fan but I loved Xbox1 and this is very exciting! I do wounded about the name though. Xbox 8 as some are calling it I don't think will happen, Windows 9 will come in a few years and surely calling it 8 only really suggests its W8 comparable (to the public) Xbox Durango seems pretty cool! Xbox 720 is eww. But I do like simply Xbox. It sorta fits the image MS want for the machine! Although public confusion could be a problem



zarx said:
Squilliam said:
It looks sexy but it kind of contradicts I guess the idea that they'd use X86 CPUs.


strange there was so much momentum building around x86. So Power 7 then? That is the only CPU architecture I can think of with 4 way multithreading.

Actually the AMD Jaguar supposedly will have 4 modules with 4 cores each. The FX8xxx rumoured in the latest dev kit has 4 modules of 2 cores each.



zarx said:
Squilliam said:

I would personally go with X86 simply because it makes for a nice and neat all in one APU. I believe for instance than when the PS2 chips were combined they registered something like a 24% improvement in performance from that alone. I just decided to follow you because you're a Kiwi! Haha. How did you get so many developers to follow you on twitter?


x86 does have it's advantages, especially if MS are going to use a modified Win8 kernal next gen as was rumoured a while back and if Sony are also going x86. It's not like they couldn't make an APU with a Power bassed CPU, tho going with AMD would probably be cheaper as they can create the one package under one roof.

The performance gains for having the GPU and CPU are pretty good mainly as they can share resorces and communicate so efficiently when the signal doesn't have to go across the motherboard lowering latency considerably, especialy with a unified memory achitecture. But it does somewhat limit the size of the CPU/GPU they can use.

IDK follow backs mostly, also I guess I tweeted about their games at some point. It's not that many anyway. 

Actually the NT Kernel supports PowerPC as well, that's how they could port a modified Windows 2000 Kernel to make the Xbox 360 OS. It wouldn't be a problem for them to use PowerPC again but I would assume it'd be easier to give official support only ARM and X86.



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Squilliam said:
zarx said:
Squilliam said:

I would personally go with X86 simply because it makes for a nice and neat all in one APU. I believe for instance than when the PS2 chips were combined they registered something like a 24% improvement in performance from that alone. I just decided to follow you because you're a Kiwi! Haha. How did you get so many developers to follow you on twitter?


x86 does have it's advantages, especially if MS are going to use a modified Win8 kernal next gen as was rumoured a while back and if Sony are also going x86. It's not like they couldn't make an APU with a Power bassed CPU, tho going with AMD would probably be cheaper as they can create the one package under one roof.

The performance gains for having the GPU and CPU are pretty good mainly as they can share resorces and communicate so efficiently when the signal doesn't have to go across the motherboard lowering latency considerably, especialy with a unified memory achitecture. But it does somewhat limit the size of the CPU/GPU they can use.

IDK follow backs mostly, also I guess I tweeted about their games at some point. It's not that many anyway. 

Actually the NT Kernel supports PowerPC as well, that's how they could port a modified Windows 2000 Kernel to make the Xbox 360 OS. It wouldn't be a problem for them to use PowerPC again but I would assume it'd be easier to give official support only ARM and X86.

Yea I suppose it  wouldn't be too much of an issue.



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