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Forums - Gaming - 3DS outsells Vita by over 46:1 in Japan, 40:1 in different tracker

 

First reaction to Vita sales?

Yikes! 87 20.91%
 
Terrible! 28 6.73%
 
Awful! 23 5.53%
 
Dead! 113 27.16%
 
Poor Vita... 79 18.99%
 
Nice sales! 72 17.31%
 
Other 14 3.37%
 
Total:416

The 3DS had its biggest launch in the region yet; Vita - still - has almost nothing. Spin that.



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routsounmanman said:
The 3DS had its biggest launch in the region yet; Vita - still - has almost nothing. Spin that.


Just wait for the BIG games to come out.



The DS almost beat Vita this week. Oh, boy. Sony seems to have no sense of urgency in pushing sales for this console. All it would have taken was a price cut, but they obviously didn't learn from Nintendo on how to dig themselves out of the exact same problem. There is no momentum going into the holiday season. And if sales don't skyrocket over Xmas, I just don't see how things can ever turn around.

I've seen deals on eBay for Vitas at $150 in great condition. But even that kind of a deal won't persuade me to invest in something that isn't being supported. Sort of like when I bought the HD-DVD player for my old X360 and the format was abandoned within months. Not exactly the same thing, but it taught me to be a bit more cautious before the market has made up its mind.



routsounmanman said:
The 3DS had its biggest launch in the region yet; Vita - still - has almost nothing. Spin that.



The Vita is outselling the PS2, the best-selling console of all time! The 3D, on the other hand, has only sold a fraction as much as its predecessor.

Nintendo is doomed.

Easy-Peasy.



CityOfNoobs said:
Jon_Talbain said:
CCFanboy said:
Jon_Talbain said:
If things are like this next year at this time, then it will most likely be the point of no return. Once Sony lowers the price to at least 199, it will be at a much more competitive price. I also think people are turned off by the mandatory memory cards without the option of using a 3rd party's card. The 3DS is cheaper to buy, cheaper to create for and is getting constant release and support. But it also has been out longer than the Vita. I would say lets wait until summer 2013 to see if there is still so much doom and gloom.


People won't be willing to wait that long. From a developer and publisher perspective people will be buying games on 3ds and they won't bother developing for vita if call of duty is truly not shifting ground breaking units. Monster hunter and dragon quest are out by the end of march on 3ds so unless soul sacrifice manages to shift numbers japan won't care. And retailers will start assuming people just don't want it if new year sales don't take it off. Retailers and publishers will likely see it going nowhere if it hasn't sold by summer.

If developers and publishers can get a profit from the Vita, they won't give up on it. Once the price drops, better bundles become availabe and more people buy it, there may be a bigger incentive for developers to create for the Vita again. Look at Call of Duty and Assassin's Creed for Xbox 360 and PS3. They each bring in millions of copies sold on each console. If a developer can make money from the 3DS and the Vita, they most likely will create for both. I agree with the summer part....if things haven't picked up by then it might truly be over with. But there is still a chance things can turn around. It seems that people are impressed with everything PS Plus is offering the Vita, so things might start to pick up even before the year is out.



The problem I see is that while PS plus is offering tons of amazing things, very few nonsony console owners even know it exists.  Microsoft really did do a great job at convincing people that XBOX live is the only "real" option.  For this reason I dont see many people jumping to get onto the Vita because of PS plus offerings = if you dont know about something its difficult to get hyped for it or let alone purchase it. 

As I mentioned earlier  Sony just really cannot afford to cut the price of the Vita, at least not drastically. While I do not know their margins, the system is fairly advanced and has a decent amount of expensive components, lowering the price drastically and forcing the company to swallow even tighter margins (or god forbid a loss) just doesnt seem to be in the cards for Sony. 

 

Hopefully PS3 owners will at least see some of the Vita promotions online or on the PS Store if nowhere else. Sony does need to start advertising everywhere. I am not sure why Sony doesn't let as many people know about the promotions and offerings as they could or should. I have yet to see a Vita commercial on TV, period. And I thought Sony already claimed there is a price drop for the Vita in 2013? Which is another crazy move because they shouldn't have let anyone know before this year is up.





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Jon_Talbain said:
CCFanboy said:

If developers and publishers can get a profit from the Vita, they won't give up on it. Once the price drops, better bundles become availabe and more people buy it, there may be a bigger incentive for developers to create for the Vita again. Look at Call of Duty and Assassin's Creed for Xbox 360 and PS3. They each bring in millions of copies sold on each console. If a developer can make money from the 3DS and the Vita, they most likely will create for both. I agree with the summer part....if things haven't picked up by then it might truly be over with. But there is still a chance things can turn around. It seems that people are impressed with everything PS Plus is offering the Vita, so things might start to pick up even before the year is out.




I agree. It isn't over just yet. But I am shocked that ac didn't sell that well. I was one of the people saying "wait until ac and cod get here". I assumed they would help sell the system. Before mario came out on 3ds last year there were reports of 3ds flying off the shelves. Assassin's creed has obviously not achieved that. Given there isn't any breaking headline news about this happening with vita now call of duty is out, I am guessing it hasn't been the success people thought. Just guessing though.

It is a rough road for vita but it isn't over yet. The thing that has me questioning it is if cod really hasn't sold then what is left? While there are some interesting games on vita new IPs tend not to sell as well as established ones. The thing vita still has to cling on to is the other argument I made. The audience that bought psp are likely not the same as those who play mobile games. As long as sony can convince old psp owners in time, they have succeeded.



One more thing to complete my year = senran kagura localization =D

CCFanboy said:
Jon_Talbain said:
CCFanboy said:

If developers and publishers can get a profit from the Vita, they won't give up on it. Once the price drops, better bundles become availabe and more people buy it, there may be a bigger incentive for developers to create for the Vita again. Look at Call of Duty and Assassin's Creed for Xbox 360 and PS3. They each bring in millions of copies sold on each console. If a developer can make money from the 3DS and the Vita, they most likely will create for both. I agree with the summer part....if things haven't picked up by then it might truly be over with. But there is still a chance things can turn around. It seems that people are impressed with everything PS Plus is offering the Vita, so things might start to pick up even before the year is out.




I agree. It isn't over just yet. But I am shocked that ac didn't sell that well. I was one of the people saying "wait until ac and cod get here". I assumed they would help sell the system. Before mario came out on 3ds last year there were reports of 3ds flying off the shelves. Assassin's creed has obviously not achieved that. Given there isn't any breaking headline news about this happening with vita now call of duty is out, I am guessing it hasn't been the success people thought. Just guessing though.

It is a rough road for vita but it isn't over yet. The thing that has me questioning it is if cod really hasn't sold then what is left? While there are some interesting games on vita new IPs tend not to sell as well as established ones. The thing vita still has to cling on to is the other argument I made. The audience that bought psp are likely not the same as those who play mobile games. As long as sony can convince old psp owners in time, they have succeeded.

I always felt people who were saying 'wait for AC and COD' were just kidding themselves anyway. Handheld consoles need handheld-style games. That is what will sell systems, not a watered down port or an inferior copy of a game.



 

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jonnybmk said:
routsounmanman said:
The 3DS had its biggest launch in the region yet; Vita - still - has almost nothing. Spin that.


Just wait for the BIG games to come out.

This is the Japanese sales chart so I'll keep it region specific:

-Soul Sacrifice next year
-Final Fantasy X(remake? remaster?) next year(but this is Square Enix so you never know....)

These is the only thing I can think of. Not that into the Japanese scene anymore. You can bet there'll be announcements though. If we're lucky the Vita gets a Monster Hunter for the holidays.



CCFanboy said:
Jon_Talbain said:
CCFanboy said:

If developers and publishers can get a profit from the Vita, they won't give up on it. Once the price drops, better bundles become availabe and more people buy it, there may be a bigger incentive for developers to create for the Vita again. Look at Call of Duty and Assassin's Creed for Xbox 360 and PS3. They each bring in millions of copies sold on each console. If a developer can make money from the 3DS and the Vita, they most likely will create for both. I agree with the summer part....if things haven't picked up by then it might truly be over with. But there is still a chance things can turn around. It seems that people are impressed with everything PS Plus is offering the Vita, so things might start to pick up even before the year is out.




I agree. It isn't over just yet. But I am shocked that ac didn't sell that well. I was one of the people saying "wait until ac and cod get here". I assumed they would help sell the system. Before mario came out on 3ds last year there were reports of 3ds flying off the shelves. Assassin's creed has obviously not achieved that. Given there isn't any breaking headline news about this happening with vita now call of duty is out, I am guessing it hasn't been the success people thought. Just guessing though.

It is a rough road for vita but it isn't over yet. The thing that has me questioning it is if cod really hasn't sold then what is left? While there are some interesting games on vita new IPs tend not to sell as well as established ones. The thing vita still has to cling on to is the other argument I made. The audience that bought psp are likely not the same as those who play mobile games. As long as sony can convince old psp owners in time, they have succeeded.

In Vita's defense, the Call of Duty game that it's getting only had a 5-month development cycle, and it shows.
I think this is the problem with Vita, its not getting quality games outside of Sony's 1st party......hell one of the big games for this holiday(in the US) is Persona 4: Golden and that this is a port of a PS2 game.

Vita needs either high quality exclusives build from the ground up or high quality ports. Anything else is just unacceptable.



Conegamer said:
CCFanboy said:
Jon_Talbain said:
CCFanboy said:

If developers and publishers can get a profit from the Vita, they won't give up on it. Once the price drops, better bundles become availabe and more people buy it, there may be a bigger incentive for developers to create for the Vita again. Look at Call of Duty and Assassin's Creed for Xbox 360 and PS3. They each bring in millions of copies sold on each console. If a developer can make money from the 3DS and the Vita, they most likely will create for both. I agree with the summer part....if things haven't picked up by then it might truly be over with. But there is still a chance things can turn around. It seems that people are impressed with everything PS Plus is offering the Vita, so things might start to pick up even before the year is out.




I agree. It isn't over just yet. But I am shocked that ac didn't sell that well. I was one of the people saying "wait until ac and cod get here". I assumed they would help sell the system. Before mario came out on 3ds last year there were reports of 3ds flying off the shelves. Assassin's creed has obviously not achieved that. Given there isn't any breaking headline news about this happening with vita now call of duty is out, I am guessing it hasn't been the success people thought. Just guessing though.

It is a rough road for vita but it isn't over yet. The thing that has me questioning it is if cod really hasn't sold then what is left? While there are some interesting games on vita new IPs tend not to sell as well as established ones. The thing vita still has to cling on to is the other argument I made. The audience that bought psp are likely not the same as those who play mobile games. As long as sony can convince old psp owners in time, they have succeeded.

I always felt people who were saying 'wait for AC and COD' were just kidding themselves anyway. Handheld consoles need handheld-style games. That is what will sell systems, not a watered down port or an inferior copy of a game.

 

 

Ubisoft did claim they were super happy with AC3: Liberation's sales though. They might be making it seem more positive than it really is, but I wonder why they would do that. It did sell more in the first week than most of the other games on the Vita in the same time period. And even as good as Liberation is, it has way too many bugs, fixes and glitches and seems like a rush job. Liberation is one of the games that could have really proven what the Vita could do, and still can if they would patch everything and fix the framerate. It just seems like most of the games on the Vita are rushed out to be released alongside the PS3/360 games. And that is a bad decision too, maybe the Vita versions should be released beforehand. Because even with Need for Speed, the Vita version is always reviewed and compared to the PS3/360 version instead of a handheld or standalone game which isn't fair in the first place. Need for Speed is amazing and a huge achievement....I still can't believe the Vita handled it that well.

However, the Vita has to get exclusives and games that have proper development time. Load times and framerates seem to be something else developers are having problems with. PS Plus is a step in the right direction, but the Vita needs the big hitters. God of War, Infamous, Syphon Filter, Grand Theft Auto and Monster Hunter to name a few. And they need to be made from the ground up and not playable anywhere else. Plus they need to have the core game intact with a great story mode or campaign for those that don't have online. That is the problem with Call of Duty.

Nihilistic catered to the online community with COD: Declassifed, but the problem is since it is a handheld, it needs a long and well made campaign.  It needs a very long campaign more than the PS3/360 because a handheld is made to be played on the road or away from home as well. It could have been a killer app for the Vita, but it was handled horribly. The story mode can be beaten in an hour or less and that is unacceptable, especially for the price. Vita titles should have story modes and campaigns intact, multiplayer if applicable AND pick up and play mini games or some other way to cater to casual gamers and mobile gamers. The Vita has the potential, but it isn't being used at all.



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