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Jaywood2010 on 13 November 2012
S.T.A.G.E. said:
JayWood2010 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Bristow9091 said:
I hope it's the most powerful of the three next gen consoles, but at the same time, easier to code for, so we don't see shoddy ports again, lol.


It will be fine. They wont make the same mistake twice. They know what they need to do now. We'll all find out soon.


Yeah that's what they said about the Vita too....


So basically you're billing them for failure?

No, I'm not saying that.  I love sony but they have had horrible business plans for a while now so who knows with them.




       

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drkohler on 13 November 2012
disolitude said:

Unless they invent a new TV plug, or allow for dual HDMI cables to be plugged in to brand new 4K resolution TVs or something, they technically just can't do 3D 1080p @ 60 hz. Not enough bandwidth to do it over HDMI.

Bullshit. HDMI 1.3/1.4 has 10.2gbps. 9 gbps for 1080p 3D at 60Hz per eye with 24 bit color is required



Jaywood2010 on 13 November 2012
Chark said:
JayWood2010 said:
Chark said:
JayWood2010 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Bristow9091 said:
I hope it's the most powerful of the three next gen consoles, but at the same time, easier to code for, so we don't see shoddy ports again, lol.


It will be fine. They wont make the same mistake twice. They know what they need to do now. We'll all find out soon.


Yeah that's what they said about the Vita too....


What's that suppose to mean? Did they launch a handheld system that is selling at a loss and is hard to code for? Don't be that guy.

One of PSP's biggest flaws was it tried to mimic console gaming.  While this worked at first it eventually stagnated.  The Vita is doing the same thing with a high price point like the PS3's launch with no titles that appeals to a mass amount of people.  They learned nothing from the PSP or the PS3 launch looking at the Vita.  That is what that meant.

Well how about you take your cheap shot analysis elsewhere. Console gaming on a handheld isn't a flaw, it's an overused justification. Games are games. Console games present a level of quality, one that is more on board with modern tech levels. The Vita reaching that level isn't a bad thing. It means better games. There are plenty of great games on the Vita, ones that appeal to a variety of people.


What I'm saying is relevant and I'm not even going to make comparisons, but if you think selling less than 3 million with almost a year on the market is a good thing? Mistake 1:  High Price point.  Mistake 2:  Console games will stay on home consoles. 3: Memory Cards.

Regardless of all that, what I'm saying is who knows if sony wont make the same mistake with the PS4 until we see it ourselves.  Unless you have some crystal ball you don't know.  They made the same mistakes with the Vita as they did with the PSP so who knows about the PS4




       

kain_kusanagi on 13 November 2012
S.T.A.G.E. said:
kain_kusanagi said:

If the the latest dev kits aren't going out until Jan and won't be finalized until mid 2012, I don't think the games will be ready for a 2013 launch. The Nextbox rumors of dev kits have been going around for a long time so it's definitely launching in 2013, but if PS4 dev kits are this late it seems like a 2014 launch for Sony. Now if devs have ha early dev kits for as long as the Nextbox then they will launch together. Rumors are rumors though.

The latest batch of dev kits were reportedly sent in. Sony and Microsoft have been periodically been sending their dev kits to devs with updates. Activision has already stated  that one of the new consoles will be coming out next year. The 720 development date got pushed back, so this means it will be the PS4 that will be shown at E3 next year as far as intel is concerned.

That was a rumor based on speculation based on an unconfirmed leak with very little information. Even if the chip issues are true it wasn't anything that MS couldn't correct or even just launch with a limited supply like Nintendo usualy does. I expect the NextBox to release in November of next year. The PS4 will probably hit around the same time, unless they plan to hold it off while they finish off 2013 with the exclusives they have planned.



VGKing on 13 November 2012

This is old news. Check the date on the video.



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S.T.A.G.E. on 13 November 2012
JayWood2010 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
JayWood2010 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Bristow9091 said:
I hope it's the most powerful of the three next gen consoles, but at the same time, easier to code for, so we don't see shoddy ports again, lol.


It will be fine. They wont make the same mistake twice. They know what they need to do now. We'll all find out soon.


Yeah that's what they said about the Vita too....


So basically you're billing them for failure?

No, I'm not saying that.  I love sony but they have had horrible business plans for a while now so who knows with them.


They fucked up this gen, but managed to keep credibility and gained respect as a first party developer more than any of their competitors this gen. They also increased their online capabilities, which keep them as a hot commodity for initial core gamers who want to be early adopters. We've heard no peep out of Uncharted and we know the next game is being held back until next gen for sure. Lets see whether Sony starts with a bang shall we? They might have screwed up the Vita launch, but the PS3 was profitable for a reason and I think they've learned from the PS3's mistakes.



VGKing on 13 November 2012
disolitude said:
drkohler said:
disolitude said:
Sadly PS4 won't be able to do this as the 3D spec doesn't support 1080p anything over HDMI. 1080p @ 24fps for bluray is max it can do. Only connection allowing for 1080p 3D gaming is dual link DVI.

What the hell are you babbling here? Read the HDM I 1.3 specs and then read HDMI 1.4 specs to fully wake up..

You really wanna get in to a 3D argument with me?

I know that the HDMI 1.4a standard has support for 1080p@60 3D. To utilize this standard TV';s need have an HDMI chip that runs at 297 mhz. These chips aren't availabl in commercial TVs just yet. 4K TV's will use them as will possibly other high end 1080p TV's in the next few years but not a single TV sold today at your local Best buy supports 3D at 1080p@60hz

 

Ps4 will be future proof. This is a Sony console after all.



S.T.A.G.E. on 13 November 2012
JayWood2010 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
JayWood2010 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Bristow9091 said:
I hope it's the most powerful of the three next gen consoles, but at the same time, easier to code for, so we don't see shoddy ports again, lol.


It will be fine. They wont make the same mistake twice. They know what they need to do now. We'll all find out soon.


Yeah that's what they said about the Vita too....


So basically you're billing them for failure?

No, I'm not saying that.  I love sony but they have had horrible business plans for a while now so who knows with them.


They fucked up this gen, but managed to keep credibility and gained respect as a first party developer more than any of their competitors this gen. They also increased their online capabilities, which keep them as a hot commodity for initial core gamers who want to be early adopters. We've heard no peep out of Uncharted and we know the next game is being held back until next gen for sure. Lets see whether Sony starts with a bang shall we? They might have screwed up the Vita launch, but the PS3 was profitable for a reason and I think they've learned from the PS3's mistakes.



disolitude on 13 November 2012
drkohler said:
disolitude said:

Unless they invent a new TV plug, or allow for dual HDMI cables to be plugged in to brand new 4K resolution TVs or something, they technically just can't do 3D 1080p @ 60 hz. Not enough bandwidth to do it over HDMI.

Bullshit. HDMI 1.3/1.4 has 10.2gbps. 9 gbps for 1080p 3D at 60Hz per eye with 24 bit color is required

Christ man, you are talking theoretical VS real life. Yes, HDMI cable can do 10.2 gbps. Bravo you can read off your HDMI cable box.

However to do that it needs an HDMI chip which runs at 340 mhz of badwidth. This does not exist for commercial use. To do 1080p@3D, you need 297 mhz. 300 mhz chips just appears (due to 4K TVs)

BTW here are some links for you to read up on

Here is the HDMI 1.4a spec - http://www.hdmi.org/press/press_release.aspx?prid=120

No 1080p@60 3D anywhere in sight.

Here is a few more threads where people are talking about this

http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=365990

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/flatforums/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=4821

HDMI will support 3D 1080p@60hz one day. (most likely when they announce the 1.5 standard) But not in the next 3-4 years...



Jaywood2010 on 13 November 2012
S.T.A.G.E. said:
JayWood2010 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
JayWood2010 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Bristow9091 said:
I hope it's the most powerful of the three next gen consoles, but at the same time, easier to code for, so we don't see shoddy ports again, lol.


It will be fine. They wont make the same mistake twice. They know what they need to do now. We'll all find out soon.


Yeah that's what they said about the Vita too....


So basically you're billing them for failure?

No, I'm not saying that.  I love sony but they have had horrible business plans for a while now so who knows with them.


They fucked up this gen, but managed to keep credibility and gained respect as a first party developer more than any of their competitors this gen. They also increased their online capabilities, which keep them as a hot commodity for initial core gamers who want to be early adopters. We've heard no peep out of Uncharted and we know the next game is being held back until next gen for sure. Lets see whether Sony starts with a bang shall we? They might have screwed up the Vita launch, but the PS3 was profitable for a reason and I think they've learned from the PS3's mistakes.


I agree about the first party for sure.  Uncharted though is another who knows though.  Looking at Naughty Dog they usually just do 3 games in a series.  I love Uncharted so I hope they at least make one more though.  Sony needs to stop giving Uncharted to other studios though because other studioes will ruin it.