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Where's mrstickball when I need him? Last time I asked he was ok with Texas being out of the US :D

So here's my proposition, let's move  to... say, Caracas, that's very much appropriate place for our venture. Form a goverment in exile, mrstickball will be the president and I'm his vice. Then ask UN to provide no-fly zone over the Texas. Done!

Oh well, it's long way to go from current 50k, and there's still a chance people who signed petition are going to be deported :D
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/deport-everyone-signed-petition-withdraw-their-state-united-states-america/dmQl1bXL



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mai said:

Oh well, it's long way to go from current 50k, and there's still a chance people who signed petition are going to be deported :D
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/deport-everyone-signed-petition-withdraw-their-state-united-states-america/dmQl1bXL

lol. Of course they did.

That's funny, but stupid. People have a right to petition that their state withdraw from the Union. It won't happen, and it's an exercise in futility, but at least they're expressing their racism dissatisfaction in a polite, legal, nonviolent manner. As long as they all continue about their regular lives in a few months instead of keeping up this ridiculousness like they have the past 4 years -- seriously, he's the President. People who don't like it can move to another country -- but good luck finding a country more "conservative" than Texas.



I was thinking that although my get the number of signatures required for a response (likely as far more than 25,000 voted for Ronmey in each state), the Obama held states have more people who would oppose such a move, making it a pointlessly symbolic move at best. Then remember that West Virginia managed it without really having popular support.

To me at least, they come across as rather self-centred and short-sighted.



People seem pretty apathetic towards losing what is arguably the most successful state in the country right now.

Texas is the biggest GDP state with the best growth in the country right now.

Only North Dakota, West Virginia and Oregon are growing faster.

 

The Truth is... Texas really could be it's own country, it's GDP is equal to Canada.

It'd probably be a healthier country then the US in a lot of ways.

We'd be a lot worse off without Texas.

 

 

We'd be better off if Califonria left.  GDP of France but the balance sheet of Greece.


Should let Cali scede, go bankrupt then reabsorb it.



Nothing to read here just a bunch of people wasting their time. There isn't even a .00000000001% chance that anything will happen. It is pretty much like Sarah Palin's husband wanting Alaska to secede. 



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Kasz216 said:

We'd be better off if Califonria left.  GDP of France but the balance sheet of Greece.


Should let Cali scede, go bankrupt then reabsorb it.


I am amazed that it isn't talked about more. CA has so much going for it in the way of natural advantage being on the coast. But we are in one of the worst postions economicaly and we keep voting in the same people with the same ideas. CA is an example of where the nation is headed if we dont start fixing ourselves. Too much regulation, too many taxes, too many handouts. Its amazes me the rest of the nation doesn't see this, and i am even more amazed that we CA keep voting in the same people. How many cities have gone bankrupt now in CA? How many more will.



spurgeonryan said:
RolStoppable said:
spurgeonryan said:
RolStoppable said:
spurgeonryan said:

I think if anyone were to secede from the States it would be Texas. But I doubt anything would ever happen. Would be interesting if someone did secede right when Portugal joined.

Portugal is a country in Africa.

Brazilian people speak Portugese.

Suuuuure... and the capitol of Australia is Canberra.

I will take your word for it.


Portugal is in Europe, not Africa (Come on, people...)

Also a fact:  Brazilians do speak Portuguese.  It is their official language, and Brazil was originally colonized by the Portuguese.



 

the_dengle said:
mai said:

Oh well, it's long way to go from current 50k, and there's still a chance people who signed petition are going to be deported :D
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/deport-everyone-signed-petition-withdraw-their-state-united-states-america/dmQl1bXL

lol. Of course they did.

That's funny, but stupid. People have a right to petition that their state withdraw from the Union. It won't happen, and it's an exercise in futility, but at least they're expressing their racism dissatisfaction in a polite, legal, nonviolent manner. As long as they all continue about their regular lives in a few months instead of keeping up this ridiculousness like they have the past 4 years -- seriously, he's the President. People who don't like it can move to another country -- but good luck finding a country more "conservative" than Texas.

This gets pretty annoying coming from leftists. I don't know your personally held ideologies or if this is just to try to straw man conservative individuals positions. I am sure there are people with racist leaning beliefs on both the left and the right.

That argument is just to try to belittle a conservative's position against Obama. If you really believe that most very conservative individuals are just Racists, sexists, and bigots then you don't have a proper understanding of their ideology and what they believe. Im sure a small number of them are those things. But I am sure that you will find at least the same number of people that are truly racist, sexist and bigots on the far left.

While I think signing a petition to secede from the U.S. is very much overreacting, but if I was to guess I would say a large number of them are just trying to send a message. There are quite a few conservative thinking individuals in this country that have a great fear of President Obama's deeply held ideologies. The ideologies of the leader of a country are very important.

Many statements and actions by him cause concern among those people. Such as the times he says things like wanting to "fundamentally transform America". And all the other comments he has made that cause concern among many conservative minded Americans whether its unfounded in reality or not. It's possible that Obama is just somewhat left of center (I personally have doubts about that), but most of these people likely believe that Obama is an extreme leftist radical and his personal ideology is against capitalism and wants to do everything he can to try and push the United States more towards a socialist leaning nation. If a very conservative anti-government minded individual truly believes that Obama holds these ideologies and can successfully transfrom America towards socialism then its no surprise that these individuals would threaten secession.  By the way I just saw that its now up to 30 states that have residents requesting secession from the U.S.

It's evident these people want to send a message to Obama that they believe he is a radical socialist and that he is a threat to America's future. You have to understand its their ideology and view of the role of government that shapes their actions, not some ridiculous accusation that its because of Obama's race. If you were not implying that then thats fine, but I get tired of this endless straw man argument from leftist minded individuals to try and put conservative minded people in a position that lacks real truth.




thranx said:
Kasz216 said:

We'd be better off if Califonria left.  GDP of France but the balance sheet of Greece.


Should let Cali scede, go bankrupt then reabsorb it.


I am amazed that it isn't talked about more. CA has so much going for it in the way of natural advantage being on the coast. But we are in one of the worst postions economicaly and we keep voting in the same people with the same ideas. CA is an example of where the nation is headed if we dont start fixing ourselves. Too much regulation, too many taxes, too many handouts. Its amazes me the rest of the nation doesn't see this, and i am even more amazed that we CA keep voting in the same people. How many cities have gone bankrupt now in CA? How many more will.

Not just natural advantage but outright built in previous advantage.  Hollywood and Silicon Valley will be hard to mvoe.

It's crazy the state is in such dire straights.

 

It should be interesting to see what a democratic supermajority does.



So now that there's a couple of petitions to deport everyone who signed a petition in favor of secession, I've taken the liberty of creating a petition to deport all of those people.