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the_dengle said:
mai said:

Oh well, it's long way to go from current 50k, and there's still a chance people who signed petition are going to be deported :D
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/deport-everyone-signed-petition-withdraw-their-state-united-states-america/dmQl1bXL

lol. Of course they did.

That's funny, but stupid. People have a right to petition that their state withdraw from the Union. It won't happen, and it's an exercise in futility, but at least they're expressing their racism dissatisfaction in a polite, legal, nonviolent manner. As long as they all continue about their regular lives in a few months instead of keeping up this ridiculousness like they have the past 4 years -- seriously, he's the President. People who don't like it can move to another country -- but good luck finding a country more "conservative" than Texas.

This gets pretty annoying coming from leftists. I don't know your personally held ideologies or if this is just to try to straw man conservative individuals positions. I am sure there are people with racist leaning beliefs on both the left and the right.

That argument is just to try to belittle a conservative's position against Obama. If you really believe that most very conservative individuals are just Racists, sexists, and bigots then you don't have a proper understanding of their ideology and what they believe. Im sure a small number of them are those things. But I am sure that you will find at least the same number of people that are truly racist, sexist and bigots on the far left.

While I think signing a petition to secede from the U.S. is very much overreacting, but if I was to guess I would say a large number of them are just trying to send a message. There are quite a few conservative thinking individuals in this country that have a great fear of President Obama's deeply held ideologies. The ideologies of the leader of a country are very important.

Many statements and actions by him cause concern among those people. Such as the times he says things like wanting to "fundamentally transform America". And all the other comments he has made that cause concern among many conservative minded Americans whether its unfounded in reality or not. It's possible that Obama is just somewhat left of center (I personally have doubts about that), but most of these people likely believe that Obama is an extreme leftist radical and his personal ideology is against capitalism and wants to do everything he can to try and push the United States more towards a socialist leaning nation. If a very conservative anti-government minded individual truly believes that Obama holds these ideologies and can successfully transfrom America towards socialism then its no surprise that these individuals would threaten secession.  By the way I just saw that its now up to 30 states that have residents requesting secession from the U.S.

It's evident these people want to send a message to Obama that they believe he is a radical socialist and that he is a threat to America's future. You have to understand its their ideology and view of the role of government that shapes their actions, not some ridiculous accusation that its because of Obama's race. If you were not implying that then thats fine, but I get tired of this endless straw man argument from leftist minded individuals to try and put conservative minded people in a position that lacks real truth.