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Chark on 08 November 2012
Mr Khan said:

It's not going to be Texas, but demographic shifts are going to dissolve much of the rest of the Solid South and Interior West. North Carolina went for Obama in 2008, a taste of the future. Colorado, New Mexico, and Nevada have fallen. Arizona will go next. Even Georgia has a chance.


Okay, I looked into it more. Texas is less likely than the rest to move Democratic. The larger population requires too many extra voters to pull that off soon...unless that party divide happens. The Republican party is weakening and losing relevance among the population. Considering Hillary Clinton might run next election could cause an upheaval as well. She could hold on a vast majority of women and capture some conservative women as well. The republicans could bring a female candidate or VP to keep the vote though. I see a strong change in the way our political parties operate in the next decade.



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Flanneryaug on 08 November 2012
Faxanadu said:
At least we already know who will win next year's Nobel Peace price.

I doubt you even know why he won the peace prize. He won it because of his vision of and work for a world without nuclear weapons. The US and Russia agreed to draw down on their numbers of nukes, and nuclear material that could be used to make a weapon has been removed from many countries, including Mexico.



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pokoko on 08 November 2012
SamuelRSmith said:
pokoko said:
"Obama is for turning us into a socialist country."

I don't understand. We are a capitalist country through and through. Are you saying Obama is going to change our economic system? How, when corporations pretty much run the United States? I don't see how that's even close to possible.

Also, as far as the recovery goes, it makes little difference who is President. Congress is divided and very little would get done either way.


Old meme is old, but good GOD, it's deserved.

Try again, and see if you can't use your words this time.



SamuelRSmith on 08 November 2012
pokoko said:

Try again, and see if you can't use your words this time.


Try to see if I can't use my words? That doesn't make sense. Anywho, I'll assume you just want me to counter-point your claim.

But, if you want a debate about it, you're gonna have to define your assertions and back them up. What do you mean by "capitalism", and what evidence do you have that the USA is (under your definition) "capitalist" through-and-through. Second, what evidence do you have that "corporations pretty much run the United States" (I'll agree with you on this point, but let's assume that I don't).



badgenome on 08 November 2012
SamuelRSmith said:

Crony capitalism is to capitalism what welfare is to charity.

Right, it's the improved version. Making something mandatory makes it that much better!



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the2real4mafol on 08 November 2012
spurgeonryan said:

Because someone explained to me that he was just missunderstood. He was not saying he did not care about the poor, just they already have help, and he was not saying the Rich can do whatever. He was saying that middle class needs our help the most right now. He was saying that the auto industry would have gone in to bankruptcy like many businesses do and everything would have been alright in the end. Sure a few pensions would not get as much money, and some 80 dollar salaries would maybe be cut in half for a while, but they would be alright. As it is GM is cut into thirds. Owned by Canada, America, and the Unions. Any profit that they make goes to there over 100 billion dollars in pensions.

 

Obama is for turning us into a socialist country. He does not think that Americas should have any responsibility for their mistakes. If the interest rates for houses were not lowered so much that the poor could buy nice things then it never would have crashed. Banks gave loans to anyone and everyone and lo and behold they could not afford them and the forclosure crisis happened. Now Obama wants to do the same thing with student loans. The problem is that just like the housing crisis, when the colleges see that there is an even lower interest rate, they will raise tuition. So there will be even more debt to pay off.

I was told that Obama had his chance. If you bring in a CEO to help a business and that CEO has the business still in debt (even more so than BUSH Ceo) then you fire him. He had his shot and you let him go. But, I was told that since the poor of the country did not realize that, along with women and minorities, that they voted for Obama again.

 

He told me many other things, but I forget most of them. Is this true? Should I have voted for Romney? Was he actually the right choice?

 

Do not blame me for the next four years. I voted for Greg johnson.

Under any circumstances, Romney was the WRONG choice, Obama is no saint but at least he won't start wars with everyone and let billionaires pay zero tax like Romney would, which is just wrong no matter what political ideology you believe. It's possible that Romney was misundersood but that was his problem, reducing rights of women and gays certainly didn't help him, but also if he wanted to be understood, he should of at least try to look like a convincing president in his campaigns.

And please, don't fall for the bullshit, "Obama is a Socialist!" he is no where near what a true socialist is, look at Cuba, Venezuela or France's government and you will see what a socialist government actually is. American's don't know what socialism actually is. If Obama was a socialist like you lot claim, college would not cost you a penny, as a little tax payers money (from everyone) is funded into the education system.

Having Obama again isn't perfect but what's saying things would be instantly better if Romney was president. People, should wait till this time next year, to see if obama is better or not, as a president now. You not what the problem with Republicans is don't you? It's a matter of sex and race, they see anyone who isn't white as a threat, it's something they can't seem to get above, it's pathetic really.

If people don't want Obama, the best thing was to vote Libertarian and see if anything got better.



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Coca-Cola on 08 November 2012

I do believe Obama is a socialist in his heart. He just can't make America into a socialist country in 4 years. Who knows how close we will be in next 4. Gov't jobs will exceed the private jobs for sure in next 4 years. Is it a good thing or not depends on what people want I guess.
Wall Street is tanking right now - no doubt it has Obama effect on it.
Unemployment might be down, but more people are out of jobs - especially for the African-American community. (I believe over 16%).
When I came to the U.S. in the early 70's, the motto used to be, 'the person with the most toys at the end wins'.
now it's 'the person with the most debt at the the end wins'.



spleeknuckle on 08 November 2012

Everybody needs to settle down.  Romney didn't even win the state of Massachusets in which he was governor.  He also lost EVERY STATE that he owns a home in.  That in and of itself should be enough reason to believe that he shouldn't have won.  Not to mention losing both the electoral and popular vote.  I try not to rant too much but ignorant ideas simply piss me off.

 

Here's the deal Obama is NOT a socialist, Romney is NOT an elitest.  (looking at you Coca-Cola).  Moderate regulations on wall street, the insurance industry, and big business does not indicate socialism, marxism, comunism or any other ism there is.  They are needed to prevent big wigs corrupting the system and screwing the American worker out of a job.  Romney and Obama both want what is best for our country and both just happen to have different ideas on how to get there.

I agree that Romney may have been misunderstood, that said, his economic plan is to keep and enhance the bush tax cuts so that the decision makers (see: rich people) will start businesses, and hire workers (see: trickle down economics).  Makes sense....except that with lack of regulation and a biased tax/trade system, those decision makers would be wise to start their businesses overseas and hire cheap foreign labor effectively choking out middle class america, leaving only rich and poor.  One of Romney's major business =endeavors was Bain Capital....Bain Capital essentially "flipped" businesses like some people flip houses....however, they would buy American businesses, nurture them until profitable and sell them to the Chinese.  Imagine if you could do that for homes.  Buy a cheap beat up house, fix it up and ship it to China for one of their families to live in.  Doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

Obama's plan is to tax the rich people more to pay for education, road construction projects, transit, and infastructure to be done here in America.  As well as regulate what wall street can and cannot do to an extent (which is why wall street hit the shitter the next day).  I happen to agree with this plan and here is why.  first of all, what got us out of the great depression (aside from WWII)?  Government programs that hired American workers to build schools/roads/infastructure etc.  That means not only are the American middle class saving money on taxes (or breaking even at least), they are now being put to work to make our land a better place to be.  Being put to work means making more money, making more money means a stronger middle class, a strong middle class is the core and essence of the United States.  Our children are being more well educated meaning that in 20 years time we will have more qualified scientists, mathmeticians, doctors, etc....setting us up nicely for the long term.  On top of that, He wants to remove tax incentives for companies that ship jobs overseas and give tax breaks to companies that build and hire and operate here at home.  

Apple, Steve Jobs namely, said it would be impossible for his company to build a factory here in the States due to the tax system.  I think we need to change that.  Biggest company in the world can't afford to produce their goods in their home country?!  That's kind of jacked if you aske me.

 

/end rant



Ail on 08 November 2012
spleeknuckle said:

 

Everybody needs to settle down.  Romney didn't even win the state of Massachusets in which he was governor.  He also lost EVERY STATE that he owns a home in.  That in and of itself should be enough reason to believe that he shouldn't have won.  Not to mention losing both the electoral and popular vote.  I try not to rant too much but ignorant ideas simply piss me off.

 

Here's the deal Obama is NOT a socialist, Romney is NOT an elitest.  (looking at you Coca-Cola).  Moderate regulations on wall street, the insurance industry, and big business does not indicate socialism, marxism, comunism or any other ism there is.  They are needed to prevent big wigs corrupting the system and screwing the American worker out of a job.  Romney and Obama both want what is best for our country and both just happen to have different ideas on how to get there.

I agree that Romney may have been misunderstood, that said, his economic plan is to keep and enhance the bush tax cuts so that the decision makers (see: rich people) will start businesses, and hire workers (see: trickle down economics).  Makes sense....except that with lack of regulation and a biased tax/trade system, those decision makers would be wise to start their businesses overseas and hire cheap foreign labor effectively choking out middle class america, leaving only rich and poor.  One of Romney's major business =endeavors was Bain Capital....Bain Capital essentially "flipped" businesses like some people flip houses....however, they would buy American businesses, nurture them until profitable and sell them to the Chinese.  Imagine if you could do that for homes.  Buy a cheap beat up house, fix it up and ship it to China for one of their families to live in.  Doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

Obama's plan is to tax the rich people more to pay for education, road construction projects, transit, and infastructure to be done here in America.  As well as regulate what wall street can and cannot do to an extent (which is why wall street hit the shitter the next day).  I happen to agree with this plan and here is why.  first of all, what got us out of the great depression (aside from WWII)?  Government programs that hired American workers to build schools/roads/infastructure etc.  That means not only are the American middle class saving money on taxes (or breaking even at least), they are now being put to work to make our land a better place to be.  Being put to work means making more money, making more money means a stronger middle class, a strong middle class is the core and essence of the United States.  Our children are being more well educated meaning that in 20 years time we will have more qualified scientists, mathmeticians, doctors, etc....setting us up nicely for the long term.  On top of that, He wants to remove tax incentives for companies that ship jobs overseas and give tax breaks to companies that build and hire and operate here at home.  

Apple, Steve Jobs namely, said it would be impossible for his company to build a factory here in the States due to the tax system.  I think we need to change that.  Biggest company in the world can't afford to produce their goods in their home country?!  That's kind of jacked if you aske me.

 

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Apple not building its components in the US has little to do with the tax system. Tim Cook, the current CEO said as much

It however has a lot to do with the availability of a skilled cheap working force that can be managed almost like slaves... ( he didn't mention the slave part, he mentionned the skilled workers).

Typically each time Apple is about to release a new product, the number of workers in FoxConn working on Apple components is increased by a lot on a temporary basis. Lets be clear, the majority of Apple components are made in Shenzen, China where around 400 000 workers, live, eat sleep, most within the company compound...

There is no such amount of skilled electronics employees in the US and even if there were, seeing how even the Chinese  sometime strike or complain about their working conditions, you can see how it would go in the US....

As for a profit point of view, Apple could actually make all its products in the US ( provided they could get the workers) and still make a decent profit on their sales, this is due to the outrageous margins they currently make.. A typical product like an Ipad cost half of what it sells for to make..

In the end even if we had the workers, due to the wages differences, companies like Apple would keep on producing their products abroad, it's cheaper and generate more profits and in a free market that is the sole goal of such companies...

 

To be fair Apple is not the only company like this, pretty much every electronics company follows the same model. The same factory in China assembles Xbox, PS3 and LCD TV...

But claiming the US tax system is what is the issue is as far from reality can be... 

Lets not forget Apple made 41.7 Billion profits after tax in its last fiscal year...

 



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KungKras on 08 November 2012

Romney planned huge tax cuts that would save the top one percent of your country billions of dollars without specifying how he was going to pay for those tax cuts. If you look into it, there is no realistic way they could have payed for that, so it's no wonder they avoided answering questions related to that in interviews.

If you feel bad about not voting for Romney, just look into his policies yourself and check the numbers yourself and make up your own opinion like an educated person.



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