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Wyrdness on 02 November 2012
Soundwave said:


I don't think this is true. MS just makes billions in profit every year. They have gained marketshare with the 360.

It's not just about "video games" anymore, this is about control of the living room, if MS can consolidate the living room under their XBox banner, that's more than just video games. That is getting to something before Apple and Google can get there with Apple iTV and GoogleTV.

Losing $30-$40 extra/unit for a year or two is a small price to pay.

Do not ever confuse MS with being in the same boat as Sony. Their financial situations are miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiles apart. Just because Sony is broke doesn't mean anything to Microsoft.


Those billions in profit aren't pocket money or savings to soak up losses though that's why share holders would not be pleased, they're needed to keep the company going and for future ventures, losses on hardware sales can stack up into the billions easily if a company is reckless. At this point MS' other ventures like OS' and such are funding the gaming side of things and that's not what MS want in the long run or why they entered gaming to begin with and in both gens they've been beaten out to the market leader spot.

Remember Sega and Atari crashed out of the hardware market when their reckless financial approaches caught up with them, the problem I see for MS is what someone earlier mentioned in that they may have maxed out their potential trying to dethrone the Playstation brand this gen. The idea of selling at a loss is that you need something in return to show for it, if the X3 is all powerful but is beaten out by the U and PS4 which lets say are both affordable that's more money down the drain, look at Vita for one, remember Sony at one point were highly rich as well so MS simply won't take their profit for granted.



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Kenology on 02 November 2012
o_O.Q said:


what does "leaps and bounds" mean in this context?

i ask because it sounds comparable to what i've seen some niintendo fans say of the wii u

 

"expect it to run some new engine..."

unreal engine 4? 

I'm not sure, if I saw the name I'd remember.  But leaps and bounds means a noticeable leap from current gen to next gen.  I'm not the one who said it so I'm not putting direct quotes in anyone's mouth.  You can look through old Wii U articles pertaining to it's horsepower if you want to look for yourself.



Wh1pL4shL1ve_007 on 02 November 2012
Nem said:
runqvist said:
Wii U had no effect on MS/Sony.

I am now hoping that Sony will release a lower spec console while MS releases a powerhouse. MS can take some losses with no problem and it just might lead to huge victory. Mmmm.. Imagine, a 70% marketshare MS console. That would be so sweet.

You are daydreaming. How did that work for microsoft in the PS2 era? history has proven us time and again that the most powerful system almost never wins.

There is logic to it, if you care to think about it.

Also, the Xbox will never be sucessful in Japan and europe in Sonyland. Microsoft pretty much maxed out their potencial this gen. The only way they can get more is if one of the other 2 mess up bad.


Im pretty sure theres more ways for Xbox to be more successful in EU and JP than what you just said. 

Plus last gen was different. Ps2 dominated with overwhelming third party support and Xbox released much much later. 

This gen is different, every game as youve noticed, are focusing on raw graphical power. As alot of people tend to look for. 



Yay!!!

Cobretti2 on 02 November 2012
wfz said:
teigaga said:
wfz said:

Actually, Sony is in a fantastic position to offer a moderately enhanced PS4 without having to worry much about fan backlash. Why? Because if they integrate a cloud streaming service such as Gaikai's, players can play the absolute BEST looking games in the world regardless of the hardware in the PS4 (as long as they have a strong internet connection).


That small point is everything, the majority of people do not have a strong enough internet connecion. Unless sony included 4G chips in every system

 

But surely we diehard gamers who are extremely into technology and online gaming have strong internet connections? :P If Sony releases a moderate PS4 and introduces cloud streaming, yeah people with bad internet will be left out of the streaming, but at least they'll have the new console with upgraded tech.

Sadly you are wrong. Die hard fan or not, you are limited to what your country can offer.



 

 

BluGamer23 on 02 November 2012
the_dengle said:
Dear god, don't even say things like that. The last thing we need is a bunch of fanboys blaming Nintendo for the PS4 being "underpowered."


This will happen! lol.. Nintendo is blamed for everything.. remember the wii was blamed for casual gaming boom!... and wii was ruining gaming!

now an underpowered ps4720 being not as much leap to the wiiU as people are hoping it would be.. well hey its Nintendos fault!..

stupid Nintendo! ruining games like they do! >.< 



 

 

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BluGamer23 on 02 November 2012
sergiodaly said:
sony give me a 800$ console with SSD and a huge fan to deal with the high heat... power is never enough...

 

ethomaz said:
If Sony pretend to use just the A10 APU in PS4 than it is better to continue with PS3.

I don't want a so weak hardware.

and a few other sony diehards... listen to these guys sony! they know whats best for your gaming division future woo!

more powaaaa! and sell at a loss! surely you guys can afford another system release sold at a loss 4th time in a row!.. nothing to worry about.. sony to big to fail ..right guys! =)

 



 

 

Adinnieken on 03 November 2012
Nem said:

You are daydreaming. How did that work for microsoft in the PS2 era? history has proven us time and again that the most powerful system almost never wins.

There is logic to it, if you care to think about it.

Also, the Xbox will never be sucessful in Japan and europe in Sonyland. Microsoft pretty much maxed out their potencial this gen. The only way they can get more is if one of the other 2 mess up bad.

"Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it."

In the early 1980's until the mid-80's, the MSX was the dominant PC standard in Japan.  It was the standard created by Microsoft, using Microsoft custom components, a customized version of MS-DOS, and BASIC.  Prior to Nintendo's introduction into game systems, it was the gaming system standard in Japan.

To say Microsoft will never be successful in Europe or Japan when they've shown they can be and have been in the past is silly.



Nem on 03 November 2012
runqvist said:
Nem said:
runqvist said:
Wii U had no effect on MS/Sony.

I am now hoping that Sony will release a lower spec console while MS releases a powerhouse. MS can take some losses with no problem and it just might lead to huge victory. Mmmm.. Imagine, a 70% marketshare MS console. That would be so sweet.

You are daydreaming. How did that work for microsoft in the PS2 era? history has proven us time and again that the most powerful system almost never wins.

There is logic to it, if you care to think about it.

Also, the Xbox will never be sucessful in Japan and europe in Sonyland. Microsoft pretty much maxed out their potencial this gen. The only way they can get more is if one of the other 2 mess up bad.

Your post is just wishful thinking.

Sony/Nintendo can have Japan, it is pretty much irrelevant from my perspective. 360 has sold almost as much in Europe as Xbox did worldwide. Who are you to say that they won't be the top dog next gen?


If its wishful thinking, what exactly am i wishing for?

By the way, when i spelled "in sonyland " i meant to say "is sony land". Means that a complete victory in europe is harder to achieve than in the US. Still, europe highly prefers the playstation brand. If you live in europe you will know why. Its called "the champions league".

Adinnieken said:

Nem said:

You are daydreaming. How did that work for microsoft in the PS2 era? history has proven us time and again that the most powerful system almost never wins.


There is logic to it, if you care to think about it.


Also, the Xbox will never be sucessful in Japan and europe in Sonyland. Microsoft pretty much maxed out their potencial this gen. The only way they can get more is if one of the other 2 mess up bad.

"Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it."

In the early 1980's until the mid-80's, the MSX was the dominant PC standard in Japan.  It was the standard created by Microsoft, using Microsoft custom components, a customized version of MS-DOS, and BASIC.  Prior to Nintendo's introduction into game systems, it was the gaming system standard in Japan.

To say Microsoft will never be successful in Europe or Japan when they've shown they can be and have been in the past is silly.

Its not impossible, but its highly unprobable.

As i said, the only way microsoft can pull it off is if one of the other competitors mess up bad. At wich point that competitior would probably be forced to leave the market.



JEMC on 03 November 2012
M.U.G.E.N said:

now if only I could understand what this means :D

Yeah, me too. But then there's wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Through-silicon_via

And then 2 more things:

joeorc said:

http://www.i-micronews.com/news/Sony-wide-IO-memory-Playstation-Vita,9334.html

Earlier this year Masaaki Tsuruta, CTO of Sony Computer Entertainment, indicated that there will likely be a 3D stack incorporating TSV technology in the next generation console. Sony's target of no more than 50ms latency even for 8k x 4k resolution at 300fps, clearly points to the need for a highly integrated TSV-based package although Tsuruta warned "We will have to work with a lot of third-party partners to make these things happen."

He can't really be talking about the PS4. Impossible unless he's talking about displaying the simplest of the graphics.

Not even a GTX680 in SLI could display graphics at 8k x 4k at 300fps. Unless that "fps" doesn't mean "frames per second", ofc.

joeorc said:

Sony plans to use TSV for its next gaming station CPU/GPU

 
Sony Computer Entertainment is planning on a much longer shelf life for its next generation PlayStation gaming console with a strategy that appears to be based around refreshing the platform over its lifetime with a series of high profile, cutting edge technology including TSV interconnects base packaging.
Masaaki Tsuruta, CTO of Sony Computer Entertainment, says that the company is working on a system-on-chip (SoC) to underpin the product for "seven to 10 years". The PlayStation 3 will be at least seven years old by the time its successor arrives, but is generally considered to have lasted longer than was originally expected. A firm launch for the fourth generation console - not to be called PlayStation 4 - was pushed out again late last year. Its designed-in longevity is largely a matter of economics. 

The Cell Broadband Engine that powered the PS3 cost $400m to develop; the main SoC for the incoming console is likely to be a 3D stack incorporating thru-silicon-via technology and could be the first $1bn hardware design project. “We have to look at two things,” Tsuruta-san says, “return-on-investment (ROI) and turnaround time (TAT).” The ROI issue, given the further costs of bringing a new PS to market (software, marketing, etc), means that Sony will be looking at a number of years and revs of the machine's insides.

If that is true, I feel sorry for them because they have learned nothing.



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Scisca on 03 November 2012
Nem said:
runqvist said:
Nem said:
runqvist said:
Wii U had no effect on MS/Sony.

I am now hoping that Sony will release a lower spec console while MS releases a powerhouse. MS can take some losses with no problem and it just might lead to huge victory. Mmmm.. Imagine, a 70% marketshare MS console. That would be so sweet.

You are daydreaming. How did that work for microsoft in the PS2 era? history has proven us time and again that the most powerful system almost never wins.

There is logic to it, if you care to think about it.

Also, the Xbox will never be sucessful in Japan and europe in Sonyland. Microsoft pretty much maxed out their potencial this gen. The only way they can get more is if one of the other 2 mess up bad.

Your post is just wishful thinking.

Sony/Nintendo can have Japan, it is pretty much irrelevant from my perspective. 360 has sold almost as much in Europe as Xbox did worldwide. Who are you to say that they won't be the top dog next gen?


If its wishful thinking, what exactly am i wishing for?

By the way, when i spelled "in sonyland " i meant to say "is sony land". Means that a complete victory in europe is harder to achieve than in the US. Still, europe highly prefers the playstation brand. If you live in europe you will know why. Its called "the champions league".

MS has no chance in Japan, cause the Japanese buy Japanese products and games. It's the same in the US - Americans buy X-box, because it's American. In Europe we just choose the best offer, that's why the PS3 dominates the 360. If the next gen X-box is better than Wii U/PS4 it will easily win in Europe.

Europe is the only market in which the best one actually wins.



Wii U is a GCN 2 - I called it months before the release!

My Vita to-buy list: The Walking Dead, Persona 4 Golden, Need for Speed: Most Wanted, TearAway, Ys: Memories of Celceta, Muramasa: The Demon Blade, History: Legends of War, FIFA 13, Final Fantasy HD X, X-2, Worms Revolution Extreme, The Amazing Spiderman, Batman: Arkham Origins Blackgate - too many no-gaemz :/

My consoles: PS2 Slim, PS3 Slim 320 GB, PSV 32 GB, Wii, DSi.