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haxxiy said:
Mr Khan said:

Objectively, there's a good bit of bad filmmaking going on in 1-3. Have you seen the Red Letter Media reviews? It lays out the problems with the movies in a way that's hard to argue against.

RLM dissected it in a way that can applied to almost any fiction work with the same results. I tried it once with great success on Game of Thrones, the first book of A Song of Ice and Fire alongside a friend who's a literature major. We exposed the results to the fans... and they weren't happy at all with us. Except for Phantom Menace, whose plotholes are very hard to overlook, most of the criticism directed at Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith could be explained in-universe or are not problems at all and are fallacious e.g. attacking the straw man, appeal to ridicule etc.

Except the romance of course. It's valid to criticize that one. It was completely crap from the beginning and it felt like to me that Padme found Anakin so hot she pretended his failed flirtation had any effect on her. That's my headcanon at least.

Is headcannon some form of facepalm where, if there's no way to fathom something, you have to use it and it basically equates to blowing your brains out with a cannon?



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haxxiy said:
Mr Khan said:

Objectively, there's a good bit of bad filmmaking going on in 1-3. Have you seen the Red Letter Media reviews? It lays out the problems with the movies in a way that's hard to argue against.

RLM dissected it in a way that can applied to almost any fiction work with the same results. I tried it once with great success on Game of Thrones, the first book of A Song of Ice and Fire alongside a friend who's a literature major. We exposed the results to the fans... and they weren't happy at all with us. Except for Phantom Menace, whose plotholes are very hard to overlook, most of the criticism directed at Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith could be explained in-universe or are not problems at all and are fallacious e.g. attacking the straw man, appeal to ridicule etc.

Except the romance of course. It's valid to criticize that one. It was completely crap from the beginning and it felt like to me that Padme found Anakin so hot she pretended his failed flirtation had any effect on her. That's my headcanon at least.


I think you are wrong for example I haven't read the books (only watched the show) but for me the main problem of the prequels is the main virtue of Game of thrones, the characters.

Its not really about the plot holes great movies have plot holes the prequels are just rotten to the core.



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haxxiy said:
Mr Khan said:

Objectively, there's a good bit of bad filmmaking going on in 1-3. Have you seen the Red Letter Media reviews? It lays out the problems with the movies in a way that's hard to argue against.

RLM dissected it in a way that can applied to almost any fiction work with the same results. I tried it once with great success on Game of Thrones, the first book of A Song of Ice and Fire alongside a friend who's a literature major. We exposed the results to the fans... and they weren't happy at all with us. Except for Phantom Menace, whose plotholes are very hard to overlook, most of the criticism directed at Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith could be explained in-universe or are not problems at all and are fallacious e.g. attacking the straw man, appeal to ridicule etc.

Except the romance of course. It's valid to criticize that one. It was completely crap from the beginning and it felt like to me that Padme found Anakin so hot she pretended his failed flirtation had any effect on her. That's my headcanon at least.

I may have misrepresented myself. I don't agree with Plinkett entirely, just that he makes a solid argument in many cases (from a cinematography standpoint, something i'm not an expert in).

I do agree that some of the plotlines make much more sense when you think about them. I still say that Anakin's turn to the dark side was masterfully executed, even if it looks kind of stupid at first glance.



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This is unbelievable news. And I fully welcome it. It's been years since the last time I was interested in new Star Wars things. The downward spiral of quality was ridiculous. For me, Disney has nothing to lose. Bring Star Wars back to the level of quality it deserves, Disney, please. Even if they don't, I won't really care, but it would be amazing if they did.



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Rafux said:

I think you are wrong for example I haven't read the books (only watched the show) but for me the main problem of the prequels is the main virtue of Game of thrones, the characters.

Its not really about the plot holes great movies have plot holes the prequels are just rotten to the core.

Yeah, some of the characters are a problem specially Jar Jar Binks. Even today I still watch the movies dubbed because the characters do sound much better in portuguese than in english, so perhaps that's a part of why I have enjoyed them more than what they are worthy, or why they are perceived as worse than they actually are on the originals... take your pick.

 



 

 

 

 

 

Mr Khan said:
haxxiy said:
Mr Khan said:

Objectively, there's a good bit of bad filmmaking going on in 1-3. Have you seen the Red Letter Media reviews? It lays out the problems with the movies in a way that's hard to argue against.

RLM dissected it in a way that can applied to almost any fiction work with the same results. I tried it once with great success on Game of Thrones, the first book of A Song of Ice and Fire alongside a friend who's a literature major. We exposed the results to the fans... and they weren't happy at all with us. Except for Phantom Menace, whose plotholes are very hard to overlook, most of the criticism directed at Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith could be explained in-universe or are not problems at all and are fallacious e.g. attacking the straw man, appeal to ridicule etc.

Except the romance of course. It's valid to criticize that one. It was completely crap from the beginning and it felt like to me that Padme found Anakin so hot she pretended his failed flirtation had any effect on her. That's my headcanon at least.

I may have misrepresented myself. I don't agree with Plinkett entirely, just that he makes a solid argument in many cases (from a cinematography standpoint, something i'm not an expert in).

I do agree that some of the plotlines make much more sense when you think about them. I still say that Anakin's turn to the dark side was masterfully executed, even if it looks kind of stupid at first glance.


Masterfully? Palpatine tricked him, Padme dies of sadness (or something), it was never explained why Anakin was called 'Vader'? Anakin chose to trust a Sith Lord over his fellow Jedi who trained him and educated him for years over some dream that may never happen. Masterful?



haxxiy said:
Rafux said:

I think you are wrong for example I haven't read the books (only watched the show) but for me the main problem of the prequels is the main virtue of Game of thrones, the characters.

Its not really about the plot holes great movies have plot holes the prequels are just rotten to the core.

Yeah, some of the characters are a problem specially Jar Jar Binks. Even today I still watch the movies dubbed because the characters do sound much better in portuguese than in english, so perhaps that's a part of why I have enjoyed them more than what they are worthy, or why they are perceived as worse than they actually are on the originals... take your pick.

 

I really don't mind Jar Jar that much at least he had a character even if it was annoying. The rest were a boring flat line specially Padme that even sounds like a robot.



Mr Khan said:

I may have misrepresented myself. I don't agree with Plinkett entirely, just that he makes a solid argument in many cases (from a cinematography standpoint, something i'm not an expert in).

I do agree that some of the plotlines make much more sense when you think about them. I still say that Anakin's turn to the dark side was masterfully executed, even if it looks kind of stupid at first glance.


Perhaps, but I'm more willing to make concessions on these terms for modern action/adventure movies (even more those based off books and the like) because there's so much going on and there's just so much coherence, proper pacing and explanation you can fit on two hours or so. Maybe it's a flaw of the directors and producers, maybe that's indeed all you can get in the medium. I'm not going to pass judgement on this one.

Of course I'm not saying too the prequels are on par with the other Star Wars or they should carry on exempt of criticism. Just that I can still enjoy them for what they are without my head hurting too much.



 

 

 

 

 

Sounds great to me. I think Disney is great at managing IP and making enternaining movies for the audience they choose.